Pansies opposed to war

Well the war is the war, and it's happening, what are all of you going to do about it? I heard alot of people wanting to sue Bush over it, to me that's a good laugh. That'd be like trying to think you could sue the federal government and actually win your case. Bottom line here is America has a weakness, it's weakness is being exploited by terrorists mostly and other atrocities surrounding the conflict or war with Iraq. Iraq is used to war, they've been at war for close to 12 years, they hear the sounds of it and are used to it by now. When was the last time you had to listen to explosions and gunfire on a daily basis? I exclude people who have already been fighting in a previous war. The Iraqi civilians are the ones who have to deal with this war cause it's happening over there. What's happening over here? Now tell me you'll sit idly by the next time either terrorists attack America or some country just starts attacking US. Will you be protesting the war when it reaches your neighborhood? I feel bad that people don't see that they can't support the people who defend the country. Alot of people have lived in the same town their whole lives. Those types of people need to move around and get to know other cultures and the ways that other countries do things before griping about the wars and griping at the president. Bush does a fine job leading this country, and he will be president in the next election. Now think if some president got elected that simply allowed other countries to tromp all over them. Would you all be against aggressive action then? No.

Oy Vey.... Where to begin....

Let me start off by stating that I am 75% for war, 25% against (because no, I wouldnt kill a person over a peanut [unless they had an Explosive peanut!!!]). I am... afraid, confused, and generally not that shure of where I stand in the world. I'm not afraid to admit it, because its true. I support the war because Saddam embodies all the Terrorists who have/are/will plot against us and other countries and we need to set an example (hopefully NOT a Martyr). On the other hand, who are we to go into someone else's country and try to tell them what to do, ESPECIALLY when the UN dosent agree.

Here we run into something I like to call the "Dune Effect" (if you've ever seen or read DUNE, you know their coin phrase: "Plots within plots within plots". There are so many different politics involved in everything we do(indipendently or as a country) from the mundane to the big descisions. For example, like stated earlier, the automobile industry may have been bribed to stop R&D for the electric cars so the oil industry would'nt suffer (they would suffer, but they wouldnt die, since you cant generalize where it all goes...). Thats just one plot within a plot. And then we have France and Russia against war because they're trying to sneak around behind the UN's back(although noone can prove or disprove this theory, we'll just go with it since I dont want to think they're supporting Terrorrism).

~sigh~

Too many possibilities... no way to get answers to the questions one's mind can concieve.

I will stop rambaling now b/c im tired and have to wake up in three hours, but let me just say that I will support Bush (even though i think he's a dumb bum who has a direct line in the oval office to daddy..) in the war effort just because those brave soldiers are giving their lives for us.

At the same time, I WONT support the war because I dont want the US to evolve into "Big Brother."

I'll shut up now :x

NUKE'EM ALL.........BOOOOOOOOOM AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Uggg, leave it to Rygar to degrade an honest conversation into a flame war lol

It was a cease fire agreement that was in violation and the only reason why we had to return, if it was complied with we wouldnt be there now...if it wasnt agreed upon back in 91 he would have been gone then (saddam) so its his fault he didnt fully comply....as for france ,Russia, and Germany ...EVERY one of them was also in violation of that same cease fire agreement and DIDNT want the US to go in and find the weapons and other militarily used equipment that they had already sold to Saddam....

almost EVERYONE else agreed that going in was the RIGHT thing to do........... how can you argue with that considering China (silkworm missiles), Germany, Russia,France, siria , jordan all supplied them with things so thier vote shouldnt be counted since they have something to loose......

Just maybe the american president shouldn't have put a lunatic madman into power in Iraq in the first place? And other countries in the world aren't the only ones who've sold weapons to Iraq (although I've yet to see any proof that Germany, France etc. Has done so recently)

America sold weapons to Iraq. America put Saddam into power. America sold weapons to Bin Ladin. America put him and the Taliban in a position of power in Afghanistan...

So complaining that other countries gave them weapons too is a bit hypocritical.... By your own theory, America shouldn't be allowed to vote on this issue either.

Incidently, the posted list of the coalition of the willing is far from a majority of the countries of the world. And many of the countries on that list are so financially dependent on America that even if their people disagree, it would be tantimount to suicide not to support the effort. Don't mistake power over someone to mean they are on your side.

ummm first of all saddam came to power in a military coup, the US didnt magically say hey man you now have the power ...........

and in bin ladens case he was a freedom fighter for afghanistan against the Soviet Union during the cold war , how was anyone to know he would turn into a madman and be against all who at one point supported him in what seemed at the time to be good intentions ?

3rdly as far as the weapons its pretty obviose the only machine guns that is being used is SOVIET made ak47s and the satialite guidiance jammers are also soviet made , the night vision stuff they have is from some of the other countries as well as ammo gernade launchers anti aircraft and hand held rocket launchers silkworm missiles ect ect ect lets face it crates dont lie and when they are dated post war activity its pretty much a given when it was sent....and im not sure if its up to the pentegon to supply you with your own copy of each item to inspect personally so you can have your own independant inspection and determine for yourself where it was manufactured ... some things you will just have to take thier word on , after all what reason would they have to lie to you about it , after all we are not looking for you ok on the matter we have already defeated saddams regiem inspite the protests...
Hoestly I would hope it was misinformation on the weapons although I highly doubt it was ...

This Mission should open some eyes in that region after all Iran and Iraq fought 12 years to a draw and in about 3 weeks we devistated Iraq and toppled the government,

LET THEM FALL TO THE DOGS OF WAR!!!!!!!!!!

Naaaa, lets Rave em to death

I can think of at least one other country involved in this war which has all these things, yet goes unpunished for it...

so Mr tell us how the United States has these things , doh forgot we where brainless and had no knowledge ...

For 1 we do NOT have UN Articles stopping us from having them ! for 2 we do NOT sponcor terrorism or have terrorist camps here .....3 we Have NOT ever invaded any of our neighboring countries.....4 we dont spay our people with chemical weapons ...5 your a complete idiot to even attempt to make a compairison...
perhaps you need to be educated, here in the U.S. we call it school, a place you go for 12 years and get basic knowledge then you have the option to go on and further that education , unlike alot of places and after the way you speak , It appears at least on the surface you need about 6 more years of the BASIC education before trying to make claims in wich you know nothing about...until then have a good day

your not goeing to get suport every one that plays second life is american except the noobs

RYGAR, there are a LOT of "old timers" from countries OTHER than the U.S.

Please don't make general statements like that without checking first.

Besides, what's your point ???



-TK

2 topics above mine,my point is that no one is going to talk trash about the us here

A valuable lesson should be learned from the events in Iraq.

1. Express your opinions freely, however were going to do what we want and there is nothing you can do to stop it.

2. If your opinion is contradictory to ours, you will end up paying for it in the long run.

Live with it and don't make waves - because we will eventually own you. If your not in the U.S., your nothing more than a pawn for us to play with.

Xav

Xav... i cannot believe that... frankly i am disgusted.

I like to think most ppl are opposed to war in general, but then again, sometimes it's unavoidable. We don't need the Saddam's of the world hoarding WMD's, let alone torturing his own people do we?

Xavier, I have to agree with you, which is eactly why the system is flawed. I do not supoort the United States in its efforts at all with the war. The government should look to the past for answers; other countries are right, just as you stated, that we're the bullies and because we're so huge, if we hate you, or hear you hate us, run fast... run fast, in the other direction preferably. (sad)

I dont believe this is freedom. In the United States we arent even 'free' at this moment. The government could have almost totalitarian control during wartime, and btw, yes, its happened before.

Look at the 3k arab people jailed for unknown reasons or "for their own protection" that has happened before too. Just look at WWII, 120 to 180 thousand Japanese americans were put into internment ::cough:: concentration ::/cough:: camps "for their own protection" after the Pearl Harbor incident, 66% of those Japanese were AMERICAN CITIZENS BORN AND RAISED IN THE USA...the supreme court even ruled it as constitutional for the period of the war, so, for people that think war is necessessarry now, and that going to war wont affect anyone other then the enlisted men and women, think again...

War and wartime are sad periods in history, no matter what angle you look at it as... Each and every country will try to make its people support them, which can be good, however, it can also drum up massive hate and prejudice along with false propaganda. Form your own opinion on the war, but I am certainly and definately not supporting the president or the government with this 'crusade'.

oh and btw, where did info on the torture of Iraqui people come from? News? Hell-oh... not that I support saddam; if he really did torture his people he should have his arse kicked, attached to the rest of his body, off a building as tall as the late WTC, but I mean, what can you trust now-a-days, the USA could have blown this out of proportion, the USA is even stated to torture people testing millitary weapons (heard testing was done in Puerto Rico, or another 3rd-world latin american country, and that the people there are affected negatively by it.) Testing millitary weapons anywhere populated or that could be even considered to be populated is wrong. Propagnanda in general is wrong, and the public has to realise that.

"oh and btw, where did info on the torture of Iraqui people come from? News? Hell-oh."

Car batteries by steel bed frames and iron maidens are for fun?

This thread is silly...

Hehe Kurt, I agree with ya, the only reason I posted was out of pure boredom (didnt have anything to so and couldnt access SL at the time)

Christopher omega...

Yes there was People jailed at the start of this war But most of them where NOT american citizens and are NOT afforded the same rights as citizens, you see the constitution is a document that pertains to the rights of CITIZENS not anyone that simply decides that they want to enter this country on a temporary visa and simply stay forever without following the rules that are in place to become a permanate resident here....In the eyes of the Government and in my eyes as well if they are willing to not obey the guidelines in place to stay here leagally then perhaps they have something to hide or have a motive to try and become "invisible " to the system and unaccounted for....now you explain to me WHY we would simply allow people who are NOT residents in this country , are NOT Citizens here , to roam around freely and do whatever they please during a time of war when they have the same background as the people that you are going to war with and the same ethnic ties to the Murderers that carried out the sept 11 terrorist attack on our Nation...

Have you forgotten?

you dont wanna keep this thread going with 130+ wwIIolers in sl now.

its dangerous,weve only just recovered from a manym onths long political forum riot,all we had were flame fests and insults hurling around for months.

you dont wanna get people started hehe.

if youre refering to us rygar youre wrong,were mostly americans,and we are more pro war and patriotic then most any group around.

/cheer chaunsey

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't America go ape-shit if say... China arrested several americans, held them for nearly 2 years, without allowing the captives access to a lawyer or to the american embassy and without providing any evidence/trial?

And, if you're aquainted with it, your opinion on a Canadian citizen (An Arabic man from Toronto) Who's still being held by america, without a lawyer, without contact with the embassy, and so far, without formal charges.....