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Perhaps a compromise?

Allow point-to-point teleporting for one's own Picks. For everything else, you get to use the telehub.

All these things have already happened. Second Life is just a random cluster of different attractions to teleport to. The world is too large now for anyone to explore more than a small corner by foot or by air.

The fact that teleporting exists at all makes it so. Much like the advent of airplanes in a country as huge and spread out as the U.S., it reduces other, slower methods of travel to tourism and historical curiosity.

The same thing that prevents it now. Nothing.


Please please please ask LL to prove this to us. Otherwise, it's just conjecture on our parts and wholly useless to the conversation.


Communities do not live and die on the existance of features. LL have already screwed up royally following this false assumption. I seriously hope they've come to their collective senses. Service-based grid hosting is where the stability and big money ultimately are. We can't deny the people who've worke so hard their ultimate payoff for our own selfish dreams.

Why have separate continents where every sim has it's own telehub? It seems that people are already opting en masse for not living in a central geography where they're forced to use random telepoints scattered about the place.

Your argument does play very well to Philips need to lord over a single centralized world of lab rats. Is that really all that we expect from LL?

Given that every sim in Ansheland can, in theory, have a telehub, what keeps the malls out of the residential areas? You do. You, your own government, regulates the zoning, not the Telehubs. The same thing will happen, communities will regulate themselves, or they'll group together and buy an island.

I've had parcels in Teal and Zoe, both of which are several sims away from a Telehub, yet there's almost always been a mall or a club within one sim distance. Telehubs do not insure zoning.

You say that like it's a bad thing, but it won't, not totally. Google and Yahoo didn't change the Web from a surfable network into bland, formless search box. People still follow links, still use email, IM, IRC, and Second Life to pass on information. Point-to-point teleporting won't destroy wandering around; we have flight in SL, but people still walk, but cars, etc.

Point-to-point teleporting won't eliminate anything, it'll just add to the features.

I disagree, I think TH do help keep some sort of zone in. I have seen it. Is it not always around TH that have the big malls? And does it not seem that as you move away from a TH that the business becomes less and the houses become more? Why do we need LL to tell us these things when we can look at the land ourselves. SL is a big place, but still, I have yet to hear a good reason for P2P.

I was thinking about this, it seems to me that one of the biggest reasons to get rid of THs is that they are not acting as community centers. What if they were more community centered? What if they become a community center? What if each TH had something like a stage to hold events at? What if each TH had games to play, things to see, announce things like contests and pending downtimes? Would that change the way that you view a TH?

I almost edited my post because I was worried it wasn't clear. In retrospect I probably should have. When I said "service based" I mean in world services & features. I have no problem with the service-based grid hosting, in fact I think that is a good thing for LL's bottom line. What bothers me is when LL introduce features that discourage people creating or connecting together. I really don't want to see SL turn into a search engine where I type a query, click then drop in-world somewhere. Do a little shopping then repeat. I'm voicing my opinion in the hopes it gets considered, but I understand they'll do whatever is in their best interests as a corporation.

Your post makes me feel a little better. I just hope they don't pick a feature that discourages community/creativity without offering a counter-balance to it. I honestly don't envy LL's development process. Not only do they have to consider how an update affects the user's experience, they have to worry about how we'll react as a community also. I can't for the life of me see how they are able to accurately determine how something will affect the world before it's introduced. We have such an open-ended system here they can't possibly consider all the outcomes of their actions.

I think it's possible to please both camps. Bring back point to point teleporting for a fee. It would provide a sorely needed money sink. Free teleports would still go to the hubs. Everyone wins.

We need no more money sink!!! How will that work? Will we need to pick where we want to us a TH or a P2P? I am not sure how I fell about this idea, but it is an option I will think about. If P2P cost per TP, will it cost for distance, or a flat fee? It really depends on how it is implemented.

I've also been a fan of this solution. I think it's a worthy compromise.

Look at it this way. If the p2p teleporting takes too much money out of the economy, then the Lindens can simply bump up the amount of the stipends.

End result: we all get more money.



In 1.0, it was by distance. I imagine either an option on the map or in the preferences would be the way to do it.

LF

EASY.

Two buttons:

( Teleport )

( Direct Teleport - L$10 )



I'd favor a flat fee, for simplicity's sake, I guess.

point to point teleport should be free.

The notion that we are a singular, fragile community relient on LL's ability to maintain a balanced feature set is a horror they've created themselves and, hopefully beyond hope, are now trying to dissolve.

The Population (varied set of dozens of communities) won't suffer if telehubs are abolished any more than we did when land tiers were introduced, when land auctions were overrun by brokers, when ratings were wiped, when event funding was cut. We will survive, reorganize, rebuild and continue to expand just as we always have because we love Second Life.

One splendid reason for re-enabling point-to-point teleports for a game with an asset server that is increasingly failing under load:

1. it keeps the asset server from trying to send you stuff that is already behind you by the time the query is answered
   

wow! less requests for assets, less outbound bandwidth to send them. As Lordfly more clearly noted, the experiment failed. But do let's worry about vanity avatar names instead of builds holding together.

I got a live help request the other night from someone just trying out the game from There and was having video "problems". Yes, 'twas my error that I didn't get him to describe the trouble more clearly so I spent 20-30 minutes diagnosing the hell out of his system. After everything looked above spec, I asked him to describe the visual more explicitly. His answer (paraphrased) was that he'd seen the promotional video and found that when actually playing that scenes took minutes to rez completely around him - in other words, what we see all the time. When does a promotional video clip cross the line from "showing a product in its best light" to "fraudulent misrepresentation"? That's not a legal question; if LL is so concerned about customer retention, why don't they work toward things that actually improve the experience? Remeber when you didn't have time for a cupa'joe while the new area loaded? And for those who considered vLand as an "investment" are like those who consider an automobile an "investment".

Point-to-point should be a no-brainer for LL's costs and for our gameplay. Exploring slowly can be enjoyable, but most "travels" have a destination in mind. How many people travel by offered teleport these day? I don't have the statistics, but I guess "a lot".

Why not add a little structure to SL? "This sim is zoned Commercial" "This sim is zone residental" Obviously people like structure or they wouldn't be flocking to these "Leave it to Beaver" zoned sims. Zone the sims, and let us had point to point teleporting. The defacto zoning of telehubs has been a semi-failure anyway.

in all honesty, i have never seen people on SL use the telehub as a community hub. nobody has ever talked to me or greeted me at a telehub. everyone just uses a telehub as a portal and then zooms off on his/her way to their end destination. therefore i do the same too, get to a telehub, strap on my super flying gear and away i go to that red circle on my map and i don't really take my time to enjoy the view while traveling because rezzing takes too much time.

therefore i am definitely all for the idea of a p2p teleportation. even a list of 10 favourite places to teleport directly to would make me a very happy woman because i have a few homes and i dislike having to do a lot of traveling. =/

If telehubs are supposed to serve as gathering points they need to work in both directions, so that you have to go to a telehub on foot or by car or by flying in order to teleport. Boy, I really don't like that idea.

Which telehubs gone, and direct point to point travel that occurs as a result of clicking on a link in either an external browser or an inworld html on a prim face, the exploration of the world goes on, it just doesn't get accomplished by flying at random, it gets done by looking up places that seem interesting to you and going to them efficiently.

People who like flying about could still fly about to their heart's delight.

Of course this begs the question, why on earth should I ever be forced to socialize with strangers, and who are they to force some preconceived notion into my life?
I already have friends, thank you very much, I communicate with them through phone calls, email, ICQ, MSN, Yahoo, and none of those companies force me to put up with random strangers.
Tell you what, rename this game "Life for the Lifeless" and give me a different version of SL that works more like, you know, every other piece of software on earth, and less like some silly game where the developers force people along a predefined path or behavior

Please Linden Lab, please, I beg you, don't make me socialize with Eggy!

Just count my vote in for Point to Point. I've wanted it back ever since the day they took it away from us. My reasons.. everyone in this thread that is for Point to Point has already stated my same thoughts.

I prefer point to point as well. The assumption is that people won't explore the world, or won't come to commercial areas. Personally I think the logic is flawed.

I usually don't stick around telehubs. As soon as I arrive my X-flight thingy kicks in and i'm off. The area around the telehub doesn't have time to rez before i'm gone anyway.

I still use aircraft. I picked up a balloon (they are a blast) and I pick my girl up for a couple hour exploratory journey. I land on people roofs, nose about, and basically have a blast.

When I want to get somewhere however, I don't want to have to fiddle about getting there, running into rezzing buildings, laggy crowded sims, and all the other crap that can slow you to your destination. Whenever possible I have someone tp me to them to avoid telehubs.

Also I have setup a teleport to the club next door. Added another teleport to my girlfirends place several sims away.

When I want to shop I don't go wandering aimlessly, I goto find and locate what I'm looking for, which I think most people do anyway.

The gist of it is, there will still be people who explore if p2p tp's are setup. I love exploring different areas.

I dunno.

When Jarod and Khamon get in on the same thread though, I sometimes feel that life itself is draining from me and the whole world has gone dark. Like a great evil has decended on the land, and power has been given to take peace from the forum.

Well, two posts are already on the Hotline Forum that are opposed to P2P. Just wanted to state that in case someone wanted to use the Hotline to post a pro P2P statement.

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