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Tom Cruise has flipped

Eboni Khan
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06-28-2005 11:48
From: Colette Meiji


(the list)
Keanu Reeves
Tom Cruise
Leo DiCaprio
Johnny Depp
Ben Affleck
Matt Damon
Johnny Depp
Sting




With the exception of Sting, I wouldn't be surprised if everyone ion that list was a closeted homoesexual. Homosexuality is not acceptible in society as much as everyone tries to pretend its cool and okay. It still freaks most people out. None of those men strike me as hot or masculine enough to desire my attention. I like my men a little meatier and firmer. I would take old or young Sean Connery over all of them. I have never heard anyone say Clooney is gay. Where there is smoke there is fire, usually...


I'm not even going to address your hoe list, the names speak for themselves. LOL
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06-28-2005 12:01
None of that matters to me. I just want either Mark Wahlberg or Vin Diesel to be gay and worship the very ground I walk on. *sigh* ;)
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Colette Meiji
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06-28-2005 12:06
From: Eboni Khan
With the exception of Sting, I wouldn't be surprised if everyone ion that list was a closeted homoesexual. Homosexuality is not acceptible in society as much as everyone tries to pretend its cool and okay. It still freaks most people out. None of those men strike me as hot or masculine enough to desire my attention. I like my men a little meatier and firmer. I would take old or young Sean Connery over all of them. I have never heard anyone say Clooney is gay. Where there is smoke there is fire, usually...


I'm not even going to address your hoe list, the names speak for themselves. LOL



Does the fact that the men i mentioned may be closetted homosexuals change the fact that the motivation for men making the comments is a jealous response? Does the fact that hes gay some how make him less attractive I wonder? Since of course when its celebrity speculation their sexual preference wont matter - the vast majority of people wont get a chance to find out.

Likewise women calling the women I mentioned (and others) hoes. If shes promiscuos why does that somehow make her less attractive, becuase even if she is a total slut the vast majority of people wont get to find out firsthand.

I personally think that say Johnny Depp is more attractive then George Clooney or Sean Connery, But then again I think the women on the Hoes list are more attractive then any of them. So perhaps im not a good judge lol.

It is true being Homosexual isnt acceptable in mainstream America, Particularly for men who are perceived as sex symbols.

People do like shows like 'Will and Grace' and were okay with Ellen's coming out and watch 'Queer Eye' but they really dont accept it as 'normal'.
Seth Kanahoe
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06-28-2005 12:14
I don't care whether he's gay or not, and I don't care about his relationships. I don't care what he believes. I do care that he's spewing nonsense about psychiatry in public. I also care that people would forget fine performances in Rain Man, Jerry Maguire, and Minority Report, just because he's a loon.

Marlon Brando was equally loony. Who cares, after watching On the Waterfront, A Streetcar Named Desire, or The Godfather?

Not saying that Cruise is in the same league as Brando. But he's a very good actor, sometimes. Is he cracking up? Probably. So did Brando.
Liona Clio
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06-28-2005 13:21
A lot of people keep saying, "Why doesn't Tom Cruise just come out of the closet and admit he's gay?"

Well...what if he *isn't* gay?

Maybe we should get to the next, and more important question. "Why is Tom Cruise's sexual orientation any of our business?"
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Juro Kothari
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06-28-2005 13:31
From: Liona Clio
A lot of people keep saying, "Why doesn't Tom Cruise just come out of the closet and admit he's gay?"

Well...what if he *isn't* gay?

Maybe we should get to the next, and more important question. "Why is Tom Cruise's sexual orientation any of our business?"

The good thing, Liona, is that when he dies - the truth will come out. Maybe he is straight, but if I was a betting man, I'd place mine squarely on 'queer'.
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06-28-2005 13:40
From: Juro Kothari
The good thing, Liona, is that when he dies - the truth will come out. Maybe he is straight, but if I was a betting man, I'd place mine squarely on 'queer'.


:confused:

How will the truth come out when he dies? Will the morticians be unable to dress him in plaid or something? :rolleyes:
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Reitsuki Kojima
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06-28-2005 13:53
From: Juro Kothari
None of that matters to me. I just want either Mark Wahlberg or Vin Diesel to be gay and worship the very ground I walk on. *sigh* ;)


Blech.

Now, David Boreanaz or Viggo Mortensen, on the other hand...
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06-28-2005 13:53
From: Liona Clio
:confused:

How will the truth come out when he dies? Will the morticians be unable to dress him in plaid or something? :rolleyes:

People won't be bound by the threat of lawyers, etc. It wouldn't be the first time (Rock Hudson ring a bell?).

IMHO - I believe it is nearly identical to the situtation with Rock Hudson: a striking handsome leading man with mucho sex appeal that is also bi/gay and because there is a percieved (or maybe real) threat that this info could ruin his career - an elaborate facade is created to keep the straight sex symbol image steaming along and making millions for him and the picture companies. Notice he's never had any children? The one that was supposedly his was miscarried. How convenient. There are several more reasons I feel its all a sham, but it would probably be dismissed as mere 'a friend of a friend knows someone' type comment.

Let me also add this: I do not wish he is gay. Actually, I hope he's not. I would be very disappointed and frankly disgusted by someone of his standing hiding his sexuality and lieing to every single one of us. It would perpetuate the feeling that being queer - that is, anything other than straight - is not acceptable and needs to be hidden from the general public.
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06-28-2005 13:56
From: Reitsuki Kojima
Blech.

Now, David Boreanaz or Viggo Mortensen, on the other hand...

Eh, to each his own. Of course, since our tastes differ, that means we could hang out without competing for the same guy. ;)
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Seth Kanahoe
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06-28-2005 14:18
From: Liona Clio
Maybe we should get to the next, and more important question. "Why is Tom Cruise's sexual orientation any of our business?"


Thank you for spewing sense into this thread.
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06-28-2005 14:20
From: Seth Kanahoe
Thank you for spewing sense into this thread.



I love that line, can I use it as my siggy?
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06-28-2005 14:37
From: Juro Kothari
Eh, to each his own. Of course, since our tastes differ, that means we could hang out without competing for the same guy. ;)


Of course, if they WERE gay, they would be more likely competing for each other... :mad: ;)
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06-28-2005 14:45
From: Reitsuki Kojima
Of course, if they WERE gay, they would be more likely competing for each other... :mad: ;)

Don't ruin my dream, Reitsuki - it's just plain cruel.


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06-29-2005 10:25
From: April Firefly
I love that line, can I use it as my siggy?


heh, sorry I erased it. Reading it again, I thought it was inflammatory. ;)
Liona Clio
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06-29-2005 11:48
From: someone
BERLIN, Germany (Reuters) -- Hollywood actor Tom Cruise not only battles creatures from outer space in his latest film "War of the Worlds", he also believes aliens exist, he told a German newspaper on Wednesday.

Asked in an interview with the tabloid daily Bild if he believed in aliens, Cruise said: "Yes, of course. Are you really so arrogant as to believe we are alone in this universe?"


Okay, Tom...I read that last line, and you're seriously abusing irony here.... :rolleyes:
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Jezebel Madonna
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06-29-2005 12:07
From: Liona Clio
A lot of people keep saying, "Why doesn't Tom Cruise just come out of the closet and admit he's gay?"

Well...what if he *isn't* gay?

Maybe we should get to the next, and more important question. "Why is Tom Cruise's sexual orientation any of our business?"


Not to dismiss your argument, Liona ('cuz you're a smarty), but I take the opposite course. Cruise wanted to be famous, He wanted to be rich, He wanted to be worshipped by the masses...so, therefore he chose to be a public figure, just like politicians do (and there is even a legal distinction between public/private citizens regarding slander and liable). He can't have his cake and eat it, too. If his drive was to solely be a great actor, he wouldn't try to be in every humongous special effects or action laden blockbuster that comes out (Rainman and Jerry MacGuire notwithstanding)...
I'm not hating on his success or his movies, just his "stop talking about me being gay" crybaby stance...he gets big boy money, he needs to grow the thick skin to match.

Ba-sides: Is he a moron or something? Why doesn't he embrace the speculation and the gay community at large...he could just plainly state that "no, he is not gay, but that he condones the lifestyle if a person chooses and supports an individual's right to live as they please"...Viola! The entire gay community would cannonize him. Instead he starts screaming LAWSUIT, which just adds fuel to the fire of speculation, and makes him seem homophobic.
Lupo Clymer
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06-29-2005 12:40
Can I ask why ANY one cares if he is Gay or not? Hell Can I ask why any one cares about celeberties Life at all??
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06-29-2005 12:43
From: Lupo Clymer
Can I ask why ANY one cares if he is Gay or not? Hell Can I ask why any one cares about celeberties Life at all??

I don't care if he's gay or not - the issue, for me, is whether he's been living a fake life, hiding his real life to secure his income and perpetuate his 'sex symbol' status. It's more of an ethical issue for me.
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06-29-2005 12:48
From: Juro Kothari

I don't care if he's gay or not - the issue, for me, is whether he's been living a fake life, hiding his real life to secure his income and perpetuate his 'sex symbol' status. It's more of an ethical issue for me.


And this maters to you how and why? If he is does it change any thing for you? Why does it mater in any way to any one?
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06-30-2005 07:43
From: Jezebel Madonna
Not to dismiss your argument, Liona ('cuz you're a smarty), but I take the opposite course. Cruise wanted to be famous, He wanted to be rich, He wanted to be worshipped by the masses...so, therefore he chose to be a public figure, just like politicians do (and there is even a legal distinction between public/private citizens regarding slander and liable). He can't have his cake and eat it, too. If his drive was to solely be a great actor, he wouldn't try to be in every humongous special effects or action laden blockbuster that comes out (Rainman and Jerry MacGuire notwithstanding)...
I'm not hating on his success or his movies, just his "stop talking about me being gay" crybaby stance...he gets big boy money, he needs to grow the thick skin to match.


I agree he needs to pull his head from his rectum. But I think of Cruise in the same way I think of Michael Jackson....with pity.

We *so* undervalue our relative anonimity in this world. Think about it....If you were known and loved by the majority of the population, what do you think this would do to your growth as a person? Most people would get slapped down when they said something arrogant or inappropriate. Famous people almost *never* have that happen, cause they are surrounded by people who want to be liked by the star. So stars start getting conditioned to the idea that inappropriateness and arrogance are okay behaviors. Look at Michael Jackson. He didn't *used* to be a freakshow; back in the '80s, he was smart and talented. But, like Marilyn and Elvis, we ate at his soul. I think the same thing has been done to Cruise. And Scientology isn't helping him...it's just stroking an out of control ego while it takes its share of his money.

If you treat a person like an icon rather than a human, the person starts to forget how to act like a human. Celebrities are nice people, from the few I've actually met. I think its a shame that we don't care about these people enough to treat them humanely.
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06-30-2005 11:27
More rumors that I tend to believe. LOL

http://www.gawker.com/news/culture/movies-celebs/boys-who-like-boys-to-be-girls-who-do-boys-like-theyre-girls-who-do-girls-like-theyre-boys-110796.php
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06-30-2005 13:51
From: Lupo Clymer
And this maters to you how and why? If he is does it change any thing for you? Why does it mater in any way to any one?


I'm not Juro, but speaking for myself, it would bother me because its just furthering the "If your gay and you want to succeed, you best hide the fact your gay" mentality.

That said, I don't particularly have an opinion on TC one way or another, 'cept that I hate scientology.
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06-30-2005 14:02
From: Juro Kothari

I don't care if he's gay or not - the issue, for me, is whether he's been living a fake life, hiding his real life to secure his income and perpetuate his 'sex symbol' status. It's more of an ethical issue for me.


Actors are under no ethical obligation to disclose anything they're not comfortable disclosing. Their only obligation is to their art.
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06-30-2005 15:10
From: Lupo Clymer
And this maters to you how and why? If he is does it change any thing for you? Why does it mater in any way to any one?

Two primary reasons:

First, it perpetuates the 'gay is bad' mentality. In order to succeed and be accepted, you must lie/hide/deny your true self, your family, your love, etc.

Second, and in many ways, much more important IMHO is that growing up gay, there were no gay role models to look up to. It is no coincidence that gay teens have a high rate of suicide. Feelings of isolation, lonliness, 'am I the only one?', etc. all could be reduced if gay teens had some strong role models. We have more than when I was a teen, but I'm hopeful that we'll see more. *If* Mr. Cruise was indeed gay, his disgraceful actions will be noted.
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