Texas Hold'Em Creator AWOL

Well if this were the first time me and Clair were ripped off I might say no problem but its not. This is the second time. We bought that tringo board only to find out that 100 or so have been sold. So over sold that they are virtually worthless. Trust? Trust who? Why the fuck should we "trust" anyone in this game. When it comes to down to it; we have been taken for hundreds of US dollars. Reputable? Ha that’s a laugh when there is 0 rl information or recourse granted/given/ or backed by ll.

We have decided against purchasing any big ticket items in sl until ll is willing to protect our interests as well.

Trust, there is no trust left for us.

Martin, if Linden dollars could not be converted to RL dollars, would you be *as* upset? I am honestly curiuos and I too sympathize with the situation.

Nope we wouldn't be as upset if it were ALL play money, but its not play money. We had to convert rl cash to lindens in order to make our purchases so it does equate to rl cash for us.

People would still be upset, Pendari. L$ is a representation of time and effort. The loss here isn't so much the USD but the time and effort that the money encapsulates.

Ah so I see, the complaint is that you want new terms on the table since now that the creator is gone, you shouldn't have to share, even though you paid a price with the understanding that you would have a cut taken out. My, I can't imagine why LL wouldn't help you renegotiate your terms

You are suffering absolutely no loss here.

That's what I thought. And yes, as soon as Linden dollars became tradable for RL dollars, a whole new can of worms opened up and continues to evolve. I would not be surprised if this very issue was one of the many arguments presented when the change happened (there were so many debates back and forth I can't remember them all).

Personally, I have no issues with Linden dollars being able to be traded for RL dollars. I think it leads us in the right direction of a future more in-depth merging of RL and SL. But I do think businesses in SL are going to have to start coming up with ways to help consumers trust buying from them. Much like it is still hard for some to buy things off the internet, more and more do so now because of steps businesses take to make consumers feel safer about buying from them online.

I don't think this is going to be something LL can do though (nor do I really think it should be). I do think it is going to change the face of some businesses in SL over time though. Those who can gain trust are going to be more successful than those that cannot. It is really not surprising to me either that we would be possibly heading in this direction.

Just my thoughts... lots to ponder!

No the table is worthless now. We want a refund since the table we purchased guaranteed future upgrades and maintained as part of the purchase price.

At the time I made that statement we still had the table up. Rather than see my money being sucked into a black hole we have taken the worthless piece of shit down. If ll cannot protect it's customers wtf good is buying from anyone in sl.

You think we suffered no loss here. We lost trust in sellers in sl. We lost our rl $.

Want to know how we found out that Mr. F had vanished? We wanted to know why only he was getting a cut and we were not. That's right our table never paid us a percentage. Nice fucking con.

I cant believe anyone would pay 15k for that table. lmao

DNA

But you bought the table from Fairplay, a gambling table at that. You took a gamble and you lost. LL is not responsible for your poor judgement.

Just to pipe in here on a subject I know nothing about, but a point to ponder.

(Keep in mind IANAL)

I would assume that Mr. Fairplay put a "cut" built into the table as to give him a revanue stream after the point of initial sale, and also to fund the aforementioned "support and maintainance" of said table. So, to me, this sounds like payment for services that are no longer being rendered, nor are possible to be rendered. This would put Mr. Fairplay in breach of contract.

Now, seeing as how money is still being taken from the table, paying for the support that can no longer be offered, and since there is an inherant RL value that is being lost because of this, if someone was so inclined, could RL Mr. Fairplay be sued for breach of contract? Would LL be required to release personal information about a resident shoudl someone attempt to sue them for transactions made in SL?

Just a few questions that popped into my head as I read this.

Well Eboni lets assume your right and it was my as you put it "poor judgement".

NP I just won't buy anyones merchandise again. Why am I thinking your logic is flawed?

Thanks for the advice

If this cost $50L would you still be complaining? I doubt it. You spent above your price point, not you have been screwed and you are pissed. I completely understand. The point is when you purchase in SL, there are no guarantees, so don't spend more than you are willing to just toss away.

You got to know when to hold'em...know when to fold'em....

I'm sorry if someone has already used this elsewhere in the thread...

A most kind thank you to Alex Javelin for setting things right on behalf of those who were left in charge of Mr. F's business. Clair and I are grateful that you stepped in and make this right.

Mar and Clair

PS Clair and I would also like to say that reguardless of what you spend in sl you should not expect to get ripped off reguardless of the amount spent. We stuck to our own value system and did not take bad advice from ppl talking out their asses.

Martin,

What you did was have the matter resolved by a player, which is how it should have been resolved, and the advice I gave - LL had no reason to be involved in this situation. They take a hands off approach to this kind of stuff for a reason.I am glad you got resolution to it. As I said, I can understand you being upset by it, it is just not something LL should intervene in.

By the way, describing people as talking out of their asses is exceptionally rude.

Welcome to Capitalism! Its the Wild West, Baby!

psst that ps wasn't ment for you

I think the Lindens should take the table scripts and release them as open source.

LOL well hot damn where is the cs dept or the at least the return desk. Hell even "The dollar store" has those!

That would be illegal. Linden Lab does not hold any intelectual property rights over your content - you do.

I have to ask, why the heck would you put any amount of money into SL as an "investment", if you dont know what you're doing?
Hello, you dont go around risking that kind of money IRL, do you?
SL is not a gold mine or a free money machine... you should be here primarily to have fun and make friends.

I don't consider 200 an investment. "Entertainment Expenses"

SL is fun till some fuckard tries to screw me, fuckard = not so much fun.

Dude, for 200 dollars, I will personally go to your house, strip naked, and sing the star spangled banner while standing on one leg
You american people have way too much money.

I DO think it's about having fun and making friends. But I've been around long enough to know that unless you want to become extremely intimate with GOM, you need to make some bucks yourself.

You want that new dress? Fine, it'll cost ya. That gadget all your friends have? Yup, that'll cost you too. And don't even get me started on the price of shoes in SL. And believe me, we've tried running events "just for fun". Tringo, word games, trivia games - all I can say is HAH. I'm sure many people have experienced the same thing - if you don't offer cash prizes, you don't get people coming to your events.

We're not out to make a profit, believe me. But we are out to keep ourselves even, to have fun, buy what we want, run the events that we want, offer the prizes that we want - without relying on GOM or something similar. And you can take that to the bank. Or its SL equivalent.