Shadow people, Annunaki, Reptilians, Insectoids, Grays...

Annunaki? I don't know. I've read varying things on them. One said that the Pleidians are Annunaki, that they have done good things and bad things to us, and others say that the Pleidians are angelic like beings occasionally helping us while the annunaki are plotting to plant an anti-christ like leader in our world. There is no evidence or logical thought behind either, but it makes great fiction. Better to leave that to fantasy for now and discuss first hand or empirical evidence.

My sighting
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Chances are that if you see me in Second life these days you're either killing me in Rausch or being abducted by my black triangle space ship. The ship is based on what I can remember of a ship, which flew directly overhead in 94 or 95. I don't remember why I went outside but it wasn't strange for me to go out just to view the beautiful night sky, or to investigate why my dog is barking. The first thing I look for when I'm out at night is the moon. I like to see what phase it's in and how big it is and the color. But there was no moon on this night, which was very strange because I thought that the night before was just a half moon, so the new moon wasn't due for a few days at least. I couldn't see the stars either.

Sometimes at night cloud cover hides the stars and the darkness hides the clouds so you just don't see anything. This wouldn't be very strange especially with the oddly timed new moon. But suddenly a star popped out. It just appeared out of the black. More stars became visible and then suddenly the moon appeared. I realized that I wasn't looking at the sky but the bottom of a very large black triangle. I could now see its outline against a very clear navy blue sky. There were lights on each corner of the triangle. It was silent though I strained to hear some kind of engine. It flew extremely slow for a craft of it's size and it was only about 30 meters in the air if even that high. It was directly over the roof of my house and not far above the tree tops.

It slowly hovered across the street over my front neighbor's house, and through my neighborhood like it was just going for a casual Sunday cruise. I watched it as it slowly disappeared over the treetops and rooftops.

Why was it there? Your guess is probably as good as mine, however I personally feel that I may have attracted their attention with all of my astral activity during that time. I had been heavily studying astral projection at the time. Though I only had one experience that I positively know was a true out of body experience, it's possible that I accomplished a lot more during dream time than I realized or remember. Two cases below illustrate this.

One dream I had links Grays directly with my astral travels. I was asleep on my couch during this experience which may have been more than "just" a dream. My dreams often have moments of lucidity followed by blackouts and spotty moments of lucidness. In this dream I suddenly became lucid in the presence of Grays. I was in one of their facilities, I don't know where, or what it was though. I was in some kind of invisible containment unit. I couldn't move but I could communicate with them. All I wanted to know was if they were friendly or not, and I warned them that in this dream state I would know if they were lying or not.

They didn't respond to any of my questions. This lead me to assume that they were hostile and I attempted to break out of the hold they had me in. To my surprise and against everything I had read about the astral world, I could not overcome the boundary they had around me. There was much commotion among the Grays as I tried to break free and I sensed fear in them. I attempted to just wake up and I couldn't do that either. I've always been able to wake up on cue whenever I had a bad dream except for twice in my life. This time and the time I dreamed of Satan as a child. I was helpless so I decided to simply return to unconsciousness until I could wake up, but I vowed that they would answer for this when I became more powerful.

When I woke up I was still on the couch and my dog was staring at me. I was certain that this was an astral event only and that my body had not been moved because my parents were present and milling around. For the most part I consider this a dream (for sanity's sake) but I'd be far from shocked to learn that it wasn't. It leaves me wondering how involved aliens might be in our astral activities, how many planes the Grays might exist on and how they got there. I don't believe that the grays are a spiritually advanced people. I think of them as little more than self-aware androids. The only emotions they respond to are in the negative spectrum especially fear, which leads me to appreciate the theory that they were created to serve a more war like race.


Solar Plexus.
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Finally I'll share my first extra sensory experience that I consider without a doubt to be real. But first of course more background info

Through out my childhood I was plagued with fearsome experiences at night called waking sleep paralysis. Sleep paralysis is a very good thing, it keeps you from jumping out of a window while you are asleep or beating the crap out of your partner during nightmares.

however occasionally people wake up and find themselves still paralyzed. This used to happen to me on a regular basis. This would be accompanied by the feeling like someone or something was present watching me. When this used to happen to me as a child I used to feel such evil around me that I swear it was the fear itself that paralyzed me. I used to think that the Devil himself was in the room with me, even though I never officially believed in the devil, it felt like something just as evil, and it was trying to consume me.

Stroke victims need physical therapy to develop unused synapses and communication pathways to their muscles so that they can learn to walk and speak again. Similarly our brains aren’t normally wired to retain memories from dreams very well. This is why there are people who think that they never dream despite the fact that you will die without REM sleep. Astral projections, when we have them (and we all do) are rarely stored and our minds tend to push them out of our conscious mind quickly if we aren’t in the habit of writing them down. The way this happens is that first a very lucid experience will seem start to seem like a dream then a faint memory then nothing that you can recall at all. During this experience I felt this process take place.

This particular case also happened to me in 94 or 95 at the age of 15 or 16. I hadn't had one of these fearsome paralyses in quite some time and figured I had outgrown them. This happened one night while waking from some dream, which I couldn't remember.

As I slid from the dream world back into the here and now I experienced five very clear sensory stimuli. One was a loud evil laughter that was directly in front of me and moved outside through my bedroom window. Another was an excruciatingly sharp pain in one of my calf muscles. I don’t remember if it was the left one or the right one. The other three stimuli coincided with each other. My hands were both cupped over my solar plexus. Under my hands was a buzzing vibrating and oscillating ball of light. The buzzing was very loud and I could feel in my hands and on my chest. The light was oscillating like a strobe light. I remember red, yellow, blue, and maybe green.

They were all there as I woke up, the laughter, the pain, and the buzzing ball of light. But as I became more conscious the vibrating, light, and the sounds all faded. They didn’t just fade from sight, but I could literally feel myself forgetting them. What were very clear and lucid sensory persecutions were becoming memories that seemed more dreamlike as the seconds passed, even while still experiencing it. It felt like I was passing from one reality into another and my brain couldn’t accept both of them. I remember thinking how real it all was, and at the same time it started to fade away. Every second seemed less real than the last. I was amazed and bewildered at witnessing my mind erase this experience while I was consciously aware of it. I had to consciously note what was happening so that I could at least remember these mental notes, and kept repeating to myself, “this is really happening.”

Quickly the laughter and the light were gone and only the pain in my leg remained. Now fully focused on the pain I tried to rub my leg but I was paralyzed. I struggled and tried to scream out for help but only a muffled barely audible squeak came out. Then the terror started to creep in. I realized that this was simply my fear of the unknown, and in this state it was magnified. I assured myself that I was now stronger than anything that could be watching me, and I didn’t care if it was anything at all, and remembered that my ancestors are watching over me and this helped me to calm down. The fear went away. The only way that I’ve been able to escape the paralysis in the past is to relax until my body responds. I had to bear the pain and relax at the same time. I laid there for a while just breathing trying to ground myself and let my body wake up. When I felt it was safe to try to move again I immediately reached for my calf muscle. The whole thing was balled up to the size of a tennis ball. I massaged it until it loosened up and one of the worst pains I’ve ever felt subsided.

To this day I don’t know what the light, and sounds were that I heard. Perhaps an astral being or guardian angel or something was healing a broken chakra? Perhaps energy is leaking out of my chakra as someone once suggested. Who knows?


If you can’t accept that things like this happen then you can laugh and say that I’m a nut with a bunch of crazy dreams, but I know the difference between the dream state and the waking state very well. Things like this happen to many people and it’s a hint that there is a spiritual side to the universe, which is not just accessible to prophets and psychics. Our society doesn’t accept that yet, but it will. I haven’t personally experienced a text book’s worth of facts and knowledge about the paranormal but enough so that I certainly don’t need to wait for some scientist to say it’s ok to believe what I see and feel.

I used to think I was being snatched up by aliens.

But then I started taking Zyprexa and now they don't come snatch me anymore.

Yay for drugs!

Briana Dawson

That could well be, Chance! The Mainland Chinese are very serious about UFOs and the government is open about sitings and such. On the other hand, this teacher was from Taiwan which is a democracy. Who knows?


-Kiamat Dusk

Olympia you are freakishly sane.

This is exactly the kind of critical thinking that should be applied to all such experiences but so rarely is.
Bravo.

Myself, I lived in a house for a while that was supposed to be haunted, (the previous owner went insane!), and I definately heard things moving around in the basement at night. I was even absolutely *certain* I saw the door knob turn on the steps to the basement once.

But memory is a tricky thing and perception almost as bad.

Ones perception fails exactly at these times, when emotion (fear, trepidation, religious awe), comes in the back door. In these times what we believe is what we see.

They are products of your mind, and common to sleep paralisys which is usually accompanied by auditory halucinations, feelings of dread, and dream imagery.

Prophet Yahweh says he's going to call down aliens tomorrow morning, live on ABC 13 Action News. Anyone get that channel?

http://www.ktnv.com/

The UFO's aren't that impressive because they could be hoaxed. What I'm curious about is how he's going to pull off having a spaceship linger near Vegas for two days straight like he claims will happen sometime between now and 45 days later.

BTW, "whois" Prophet Yahweh and see the sites that are linked to him. Apparently God is a black man from space (Brother from another planet??? ), all the real Jews are black, and every black Jewish man should have a harem because that's what God intended.

Heh that sounds good to me, where can I sign up to become a Jew? Do half black people count? I'll take half a harem if nessesary.

Half a harem is just as good as half a hole

yeah I've taken psych class too. I know the books state the symptoms but they can't be conslusive about the cause. Science can't really explain it so they call it halucinations that all. Just because it's common doesn't mean it's insignificant. It just means that people ignore a huge part of their spiritual side inorder to maintain their paradigm.

And besides that hardly explains the triangle ship I saw while awake. Not that it could't have been made by us. My fother being a former nuclear technician I wouldn't be surprised if the government kept an eye on us. And you that same explaination can't easily negate my out of body experience. Ofcourse others have called the experience a dream but that's only because they can't know how lucid I was. I wasn't sleeping when I was Out of Body, I was fully awake having come out of a dream (on command) into a state of sleep paralysis, except I was above my body for a long time.

The fact is that you can negate the truth about anything you don't want to believe in, especially when it's someone elses first hand experience. But when you keep having to find creative excuses more and more they all start to seem a bit contrived. All I can do is assure you that my mind and scenses are as sharp or more so than anyone else. I know the difference between being awake and being in a lucid dream, I've practiced all my life.

If someone can't believe me and is really interested in disproving this kind of thing they they should start with more credible sources. Look up Astronauts, and perhaps the book Psychic Warrior, or the CIA's old Stargate program.

I've done a lot of reading about sleep paralisys because my ex-girlfriend suffered from it frequently and it was always a terrifying experience for her. Not that it makes me an expert or anything, mind you. As an atheist I don't have any belief in the spirit realm, which is a wholly religious invention... I believe completely born out of fear of death. If we're to escape death and go someplace else, and we know the body dies, then the only way to enable the belief is for us to have a "spirit" or soul that can leave the body. I personally don't believe a word of it, but that doesn't mean I'm right and you're wrong. I've also had an out of body experience while wide awake. They're common occurances with certain drugs (ketamine in this case) so they can obviously be triggered by brain chemistry. There was nothing spiritual about it, though it was pretty cool. I'm fine with people believing whatever they want as long as they'll admit that they believe it because they want to, not because there's any real evidence or empirical data to support the belief. It's all faith, in my personl opinion. I find the universe and nature to be complex and fascinating enough all on its own without feeling any need to embelish it, but that's just me

Agreed



Same here.
Believe me, I'd love it if

1. there was an afterlife
   
2. angels existed
   
3. (friendly) space aliens visited earth
   
4. there really was a fantastic creature in Loch Ness
   
5. there were (friendly) gods that interviened on our behalf
   

but personally, I don't see enough evidence to support these things.

On the other hand, as Chip said, there's lots of real life wonders (and mysteries) to appreciate.

1. Cool stuff in space: stars, planets, nebulae, black holes
   
2. the shape, size, age, past and future of the universe
   
3. the brain and how it works
   
4. fractals and chaos
   
5. computers and the posibility artificial intelligence
   
6. Mythology (ok, maybe I find this more interesting than others)
   
7. Weird creatures that live at the bottom of the ocean
   
8. and so on
   

1. Parallel universes
   
2. Other dimensions.
   
3. Spacetime anomolies.
   

I personally don't believe in an afterlife, but I have to wonder what things are possible in life. -Especially when I've shared hallucinations with other people... Hallucinations other than the everyday one we take for granted, I mean.

That those concepts are interesting too. While I certianly can't prove something like a parallel universe exists, it's an engrossing thought.

My pet theory is that the universe is teeming with life that has little or no desire to interact with us. Very much like my place in the world...haha

I call it, "Earth - Not Very Special Or Important" (ENVSOI)

We're the InterGalactic equivalent to a tribe of monkeys in some obscure forest. Occasionally interesting to send some "graduate students" to monitor (depending on funding or grant availibility) but of no real actual worth to that civilization(s).

This would explain many things, if one does believe in alien visitations:

It would explain the relative secrecy, as in don't disturb the research subjects.
Lack of substantive contact. Are you really going to bother to communicate with the monkeys or tell them what you're doing?
We haven't been taken over or invaded because we don't have anything they really want or they've advanced beyond needing territory or specific resources per se.
Our goverment doesn't tell us about what's going because there's not much they can do about all of this. They've been so "outgunned" it's not even funny. It's like the head of a chimpanzee tribe screaming at an Apache helicopter. Do you really think the government can say to the public, "yeah, you can be randomly abducted and there's not a damn thing we can do about it."?
Perhaps, the aliens are extremely long lived (5000 years or more?). Maybe it's one small group of individuals conducting the study among many planets for an extemely long period of time. A 5000 year doctoral thesis, hehe... I've known some thesis to take that long or more! Maybe it's called " Earth Monkeys and the long-term Sociological Consequences of Randomized Examination of Body Cavaties. XHJKSjii-zikzik Ph.D. et al."
Would they invite the monkeys to their equivalent of the UN? I think not.

All of this doesn't mean that we're not Special and Important to ourselves, just that others don't necessarily view us that way...

How that's for a depressing explanation?

interesting link: watch the video of the Washington Press conference if it's still there.

http://www.disclosureproject.org/
http://www.topsecrettestimony.com/6monthsummary.htm


...and where's the discussion of the Lizard Men in this thread? I'm extremely disappointed in all of you!

Speaking of such things, anyone heard of the guy 'suppodily' able to summon these 'UFOs' at will? LOL. I'd certainly like to see that happen, in fact he's 'suppodily' doing his thing now. June 1 - July 15 in Las Vegas, pretty wild eh?

While I don't disagree with you here Chip and I do think that it would be silly (if tempting) to extropolate details of an advanced alien culture from seeing a funny light making erratic movements in the sky ect., I have personally know several people who are rational and sceptical who have had experiences which simply cannot be explained by science and which do not fit into our 'normal' worldview. In cases when people have experiences which cannot be explained by current scientific knowledge they will often turn to popular mythology (ghosts, aliens, ect.) to explain their experiences or they will do the 'rational' thing and simply write the whole thing off as a hallucination. I think both courses of action are equally foolish because while their observations may be misinterpreted as being supernatural in the first case, in the second case they are simply refusing to acknowlegde the fact of the observation itself and that goes against the spirit of science which is to attempt to explain observed phenomenon, not to ignore obsevations which haven't so far been explained.

By the way, I believe in flying saucers. Here's the picture that made me believe.

http://www.moller.com/skycar/xm4/

Ok, so it doesn't fly very well, but it flys.

Thanks.
That's the first time "freakish" has been used to describe me in a nice way!