Starting the 15th, No more land under 16k m.sq in auctions!

I'm playing it right now. And everytime you reply, my points go up! Troll-go!

It's cause you used the word virus and the sheep react like they were told.

Next time spin it like this,

Open Source Consciousness Project help create a self aware cybernetic organism using LSL and the same sheep will probably donate money

I don't see how you come to this conclusion Flip. These aren't just private islands, but mainland sims as well, that the land baron will actually be selling in small chunks. So the odds of ghettos or mish mashed builds will be as high as ever.



I see it the opposite. The Land barons will have no competition, other than each other, as ALL new land will be solely in their hands, to sell or do with as they wish. They will eventually have a stranglehold on the market. They may gussy things up a bit to speed up sales, but basically, you are going to have to go through them for land, and pay what they decide rhe market value is.




I don't think anyone is saying the sky is falling. I think folks are reasonably discussing this issue for the most part. Just because some of us view it as a further move away from artistic and social creativity and towards commercialism, and a move that will further seperate the haves and have nots, does not in anyway mean that SL will fail, or that doom is near. It's just another in a long line of policies that pander to the big money folks of SL.

I wonder how many of those folks would agree with you? This is actually good for no one.

Linden Lab

There is no "s".

So this is a violation though.
Should we report you?
You *want* to get banned?
I dont understand.

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I don't see how he could be banned for making a script like that public knowledge. Now if he or anyone *used* the script, that could be cause for a warning. Continued use could lead to further warnings and even potential banning.

That link has been in Jarod's sig for many months. I remember the first time I saw it, I was a little taken aback by it. But I've seen others post similar things in an effort to educate the community about what *can* be done. Just because something can be done, doesn't mean it should or would be done though. But it does make for a good discussion among those who are more LSL savvy I can imagine.

I wish people would stop talking about banning and reporting. It's beginning to be like a police state around here.

coco

Hi Pendari

Well yeah,

the punishment is up to the Lindens and I have lost too many brain cells trying to figure out how they apply thier justice. But this is total incitement.

Surely writing a virus that greifs people, and then leaving it around in a public place with words to the effect of "here it is, use it if you want" is incitement to commit griefing. How could it be anythign else? And facilitating or inciting something makes you just as guilty under the law in most places as actually doing it. I mean the thing even has comments in it to make sure the potential griefer knows what it does and how.

At the very least it is a stupid thing to do IMO. (Lindens please note that stupid is a statement of fact, not insult) There are lots of little boy newbies that would love to screw up an entire sim, but they might not know how. Now here is one tool to do it, on a silver platter.

I also question why it was done at all. It seems to me the only possible motive is self-agrandisement, but I do not know the poster so I cannot say if that is true.

Fair warning to the person who has this sig, I *will* report it as abuse if I dont get *some* kind of answer I can get behind. I *hope* the Lindens would ask him/her to remove it at least, and I *hope* he/she would apologise, but I have no control over that.

Like as not nothign much will happen.


PS - I have place in Neualtenberg now so I might actually run into you

Edit: Since this person chose to insult me in another post i reported it anyway, and reported the insult as well. So now *I* am a fink i guess.

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Going back to the topic at hand....

I feel I need to say something about the townhall reguarding this topic last night. I walked away from that meeting for the first time without feeling good about anything that was announced. Usualy there is a positive side to the changes something that I can feel good about or rally around. All I realy heard was "we will be charging more and not giving you anything more for the money. We need to do this for LL." Many red flags were raised in my opinion. The biggest was that Philip felt that a handful of ppl do not have a monopoly on land in SL because the statistics showed otherwise.

I can only give examples of my personal experiences. At auction for example I was outbid on last the 1/4th of a sim and ended up paying an additional 75US$ to the person who won the bid to aquire all of a sim. This happened in the last 5 min of the auction.

I have been in the auctions where the first bid is already above what I would be willing to pay time and time again. Therefor I don't even bother placing a bid.

So it may seem like ppl are not bidding against a handful of players. When the price jumps from 40.00 US to 240.00 US on the first bid ppl won't bid.

Increasing the cost of SL in my opinion is a mistake if you don't offer anything new to the buyer. All I heard was what will be taken.

As for the 25% incease on islands it does bother me. No I will not be purchasing another island at this time.

Cat

Such is the way of auctions. He also said that it seemed most land was not purchased through auctions, but through mainland direct sales. In any auciton, you run the risk of being outbid by someone who wants the item as much or more than you do and also has the means to outbid you. Not much you can really do about that except put your money where your mouth is.

LL does need to watch thier bottom line - if they don't SL will go dark.

land baron out bids you, you must then buy the land from the land baron on the grid. Or one of their alt or "busness" partners.

Money where my mouth is hmmmm. I did I bought an island and a mainland sim.

I need to watch my bottom line as well, after all this is ONLY virtual land. Seems to me LL can take care of it's self. Leaving me to take care of myself. They made it abundantly clear yesterday that they are concerned with their bottom line. What if anything did they bring to the table to justify these increases? Nothing.

25% more for an island = the first month is no longer free and they tacked on an extra 75 bucks to boot. What do I get for that? Nada

I don't buy for a second that they priced them incorrectly the first time....and anyone buying that many servers gets a discount. As for land tools sorry the new land tools for what they are can't justify the price upgrade.

Philip said they wanted ppl to host sims and resell them. Same as a landbaron IMO.

They should be concerned with the bottom line they are a business. I am saying I do not need to put their needs above my own, after all I don't work for them.

Incorrect price? I doubt that very much. If so they need to eat that cost, put customers first, period.

I have a very dumb question


if I release a 16m plot of land after july 15 what happens?


its too small to be auctioned its too small for first land so what does it become?

I'm glad Nexus and Adam got their island when they did.

coco

I wouldnt worry too much about the auction changes. Philip said only 40 people played the auction last month right? A good portion of those most of you might call land barons. A HUGE VAST majority of people got their land thru direct sales or rentals. I dont see how this will hurt. Also have you seen what happens when a sim is carved up into 3 or 4 huge piece? Each one of those pieces 'usually' get sold at auction at an inflated rate IMO. So the total sum of all of those pieces will for the most part cost MORE than it will with a entire sim purchase IMO. So instead of 3 or 4 pieces of land going for $400 -$700 each, the entire thing will be bought for $1000 - $1200 IMO. Therefore it will cost the auction winner less. And if they carve up the land for resale, they wont have such a huge cost to recoop and hopefully that means lower prices for others. But I dont think anyone is complaining about the high cost of land right now?

To quote Philip from the Town Hall:

Philip Linden: Islands will cost $1250, increased from $980 before.
Philip Linden: Same monthly payments of $195.
Philip Linden: This is because they cost us more to set up and manage, and because they have better capabilities and should logically cost more.

To me, that demonstrates that they mis-calculated the amount of effort required to put forth private estate sims.

Your right no one is forced to do anything. Right now there are pleanty of parcels but what about down the road I agree with Schwan on these points. What about the future?

Running the company? Yup good thing cus my first priority would be customer service, then grid stability, if done right my bottom line would grow automaticaly no need for me to up my prices mid stream with 2 weeks notice.

Catherine,

I think this new land-release arrangement could easily work out to the benefit of a lot of people if someone or some group is willing to set up a sort of "roommate-finders" service. This could either be as a non-profit, intentional communities sort of arrangement or as a brokerage whose main job is not the buying and selling of the land but of putting together groups of residents with similar interests in what they would like for their neighborhood.

Island owners renting property have shown one model for this, others in the past such as Seacliff have made this work on the basis of individual ownership. This is something I'd be into setting up myself but Second Life remains almost unplayable on my system so there wouldn't be much point.

Juro we agree on the future, auctions and land barons

I must apologize now I wasn't aware that LL was a failing company. With that in mind, I'm sorry to hear that. I love the creative aspect of it and I would surly miss it. Now will I folk over the extra bucks to keep it above water? No I don't think I will. For me SL is a form of entertainment and I reached my rl dollar value limit. There are other things to do after all that I find just as interesting such as building 18th century minature furniture and playing other online games with Clair I'm content with what I have but in the last two days I have defianatly decided against further expansion.

Cat

For the record, I should say that I am not at all dialed in to LL's financial well-being - I just can't imagine Philip raising prices on us unless it was needed. Or he has a really sick, twisted sense of humor. Hmmmm.