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GrayFriar Mendicant
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04-08-2005 15:55
From: Rose Karuna
Indeed - most cities have neighborhood watches but few of them allow the residents to simply walk around the neighborhood carrying loaded weapons. Most states have laws against walking down the street with a loaded hunting rifle and hand guns generally require a concealed weapons permit.



Glad your group was actually able to help someone - but medical assistance doesn’t require a gun does it? I don't object to the minutemen being at the border, I object to them being there with loaded firearms in professed official capacity.



I did not make a prediction, I identified a possibility. I'm not pyschic, I don't make predictions. I'm not a minuteman, but I have been trained in law enforcement and for a time worked as a law enforcement officer. My comments are based both on the training and experience that I received in that capacity.

I have no objection to the private ownership of fire arms, provided people have proper training but that is not the issue here. The issue is a group of people, forming a militia, armed and untrained patroling a border. You not only endanger yourself, and those attempting to cross the border but you also endanger the trained law enforcement officers who serve the area in an official capacity. .

1. We ain't in the city.
2. Even in many cities, those of us who are licensed to carry concealed weapons can and do on a daily basis.
3. In Arizona, I can strap a firearm to my leg and walk down the street of most cities/twons. Check it out. (Because I can does not mean I do.)

I couldn't care less about your aversion to guns, hunting, sports or otherwise. I have a Constitutional right to bear arms within the limits of certain laws. So long as I abide by those laws, you are entitled to your leftist opinion and I am entitled to shoot it down by my actions. That I am actually in a GROUP of people who are like-minded in at least this sense frightens you? OMFG. So what? The issue is you are taking possibility to an extreme and want action based on that... sorry. I cut rosebushes down for fun with my auomatic weapon on the range near my home. Why should this forum be any different?

Uh, you certainly did and have predicted problems in the manner in which you stated your your "concerns". It's not the words per se, it's the construct within that is predictive.

Then again, you assume we are untrained... It's clearly postulated in your posts multiple times. Again, you haven't got a clue. Why don't you go find some rosebush feed. All you'll find here is weed killer.
GrayFriar Mendicant
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04-08-2005 16:02
From: Chance Abattoir
You're not going to convince anyone you are really a Minuteman by criticizing them for accusing you of not being one. That's called "Circular reasoning." The proof of a primary assumption is not the assumption itself.

The proof of my hypothesis that you are not who you say you are is the fact that you can't answer anyone's legitimate accusations regarding your knowledge of organizational tactics, or anything else for that matter, without relying on an arrogant assertion that hypothesis A is proof of hypothesis A. You don't know what you are talking about and you are not a Minuteman. Whenever anyone says something that is valid, you completely ignore it or engage in name-calling.

You've been found out, kid. I know you're just playing a game and it's obvious to everyone reading this board. I don't believe that a Minuteman would be as stupid as you are pretending to be. However, I would welcome it if you could prove me wrong and prove that you really are that stupid.

1. I don't have to prove sh** to you. I state a fact that you cannot disprove and I have no reason to lie abou. So, take your circular reasoning and flush it.

As for proving kknowledge of tactical organization... I have to laugh. Again... a post with no clue makes an empty charge based on a personal inability to deal with the fact that they can dispute but not disprove something. Guess what... I'll pay you $100US if you can prove anything about my knowledge or lack thereof as far as "military ops" or Minutemen goes. Come on.. put your sluething skills to work.

I don't know what I am talking about? Show me proof. Tell me something that I have said that is provably false. One thing.

If it's obvious that I am playing a game and I have been found out, then you lose by stating it in public because by acknowledging me, I gain the "negative attention that is still attention." So, YOU lose. you kill me.. I have to tell you you are prety funny.

I am ashamed of myself for giving you a "chance" to take a shot at me... it was like trying to fight with a pig in a sty. You tick off the pig and just get dirty. I need to go take a shower now.
GrayFriar Mendicant
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04-08-2005 16:07
From: Weedy Herbst
I agree, GreyFriar is no Minuteman. His posts are clearly a vent of his contempt for lawfulness and anyone that disagrees with him. He fools no one.

Ooooh. The weed speaks. Back your disdain up with evidence that I am not a Minuteman. Come on. I'll make the same offer to you that I made above.. $100US if you can prove I am not a Minuteman.

As for as contempt for lawfulness... you foolish simpleton. The Minutemen were formed to help those charged with enforcing the laws of the country in a thankless and difficult task. It is shameful how you so easily ignore that in an attempt to make an argument.

My contempt is for those who, like you, cannot make legitimate argument, for those who do not understand the need for enforcing the law, for helping out those charged with a thankless task who appear to be overwhelmed and underfunded.

So.. weedy the foolish herb.... I hope you never actually run into some "weed be gone" or you'll be a poinless memory in a few minds.. and that's all.
Chance Abattoir
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04-08-2005 16:07
From: GrayFriar Mendicant

Then again, you assume we are untrained... It's clearly postulated in your posts multiple times. Again, you haven't got a clue. Why don't you go find some rosebush feed. All you'll find here is weed killer.


Oh, Snap. Did you hear that? He's protecting the world from rosebushes. That's some dangerous game.

Try an Everquest board, I hear they are actually into roleplay there.
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Chance Abattoir
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04-08-2005 16:16
From: GrayFriar Mendicant

I don't know what I am talking about? Show me proof. Tell me something that I have said that is provably false. One thing.


That you are a Minuteman.

Show us the evidence. I don't need to do "sleuthing" work because you're still using circular logic to defend your point. Countering a logical fallacy with "shove it" is not an argument, nor is it evidence.

If you were actually an adult who spent his free time patrolling the borders, you wouldn't have time to waste writing amateurish taunts on a game forum.
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GrayFriar Mendicant
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04-08-2005 16:17
From: Chance Abattoir
That you are a Minuteman.

Show us the evidence. I don't need to do "sleuthing" work because you're still using circular logic to defend your point. Countering a logical fallacy with "shove it" is not an argument.

If you were actually an adult who spent his free time patrolling the borders, you wouldn't have time to waste writing amateurish taunts on a game forum.

ROFLMAO... and if that is not circular logic... I have no clue what is... ROFLMAO

As Bugs Bunny used to intone.. what a maroon!
Weedy Herbst
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04-08-2005 16:50
From: GrayFriar Mendicant
I have no clue what is...


This I agree.
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Chance Abattoir
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04-08-2005 16:53
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Lianne Marten
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04-08-2005 16:56
From: GrayFriar Mendicant
And this from the not so subtle insulter of many.... as you said above.. OWNED


Nah, not many. Just the few who deserve it.
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Rose Karuna
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04-08-2005 17:13
From: GrayFriar Mendicant
1. We ain't in the city.
2. Even in many cities, those of us who are licensed to carry concealed weapons can and do on a daily basis.
3. In Arizona, I can strap a firearm to my leg and walk down the street of most cities/twons. Check it out. (Because I can does not mean I do.)

I couldn't care less about your aversion to guns, hunting, sports or otherwise. I have a Constitutional right to bear arms within the limits of certain laws. So long as I abide by those laws, you are entitled to your leftist opinion and I am entitled to shoot it down by my actions. That I am actually in a GROUP of people who are like-minded in at least this sense frightens you? OMFG. So what? The issue is you are taking possibility to an extreme and want action based on that... sorry. I cut rosebushes down for fun with my auomatic weapon on the range near my home. Why should this forum be any different?

Uh, you certainly did and have predicted problems in the manner in which you stated your your "concerns". It's not the words per se, it's the construct within that is predictive.

Then again, you assume we are untrained... It's clearly postulated in your posts multiple times. Again, you haven't got a clue. Why don't you go find some rosebush feed. All you'll find here is weed killer.


I'm not sure where you got the impression that I have an adversion to firearms, certaintly not from my posts. I am a gun owner and I strongly support a citizens right to bear arms. If that makes me a leftist, then so be it. Labels never bothered me one way or the other.

Nor did I ever state that I was frightened. Look it up in the wikipedia, concern and fear do not have the same meaning.

I did not initially assume you were untrained, I posed the question to you about whether or not you had border patrol training or even law enforcement training in a previous post and you did not say that you did. So the construct still stands, that you in fact, have no training in this area.

The actions of one poorly trained or misguided armed civilian playing at border patrol can result in a number of serious consequences as I have pointed out in previous post.

In fact, Ranch Rescue has already been embroiled in a lawsuit and one of their members was arrested.

From: someone
Ranch Rescue President Jack Foote has said that the group was invited by Nethercott in September to help Nethercott, a Ranch Rescue member himself, guard his border property against trespassing by illegal immigrants and the Border Patrol.

Nethercott has since been apprehended in Douglas in connection with the assault and false imprisonment of an El Salvadoran couple found by Ranch Rescue in Texas earlier this year. According to a civil lawsuit filed against Ranch Rescue, he allegedly pistol-whipped the two individuals and let his dog attack them.

The entire report about the incident can be found at this link: http://www.svherald.com/articles/2003/12/20/news/news2.txt and here: http://www.kpho.com/Global/story.asp?S=1924785

While the allegations resulted in a mistrial, they did raise suspicions and further degrade the relationship between Mexico, the U.S. and border states.

Last but not least, your affinity for weed killing is not my concern though I am glad to see that you took my signature line by Oscar Wilde to heart.

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Mario Fonzarelli
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04-08-2005 17:26
i think its a good idea keeps illegals out ofthe dman country (thats whats wrong with this country ppl that try to protect or give rights to non american citizens)
Neehai Zapata
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04-09-2005 03:39
From: someone
1. I don't have to prove sh** to you. I state a fact that you cannot disprove and I have no reason to lie abou. So, take your circular reasoning and flush it.

Fact: You are not a minuteman.

This is a simple fact that you cannot disprove.

I called this so early in the thread.

The difference between children and adults is that adults have seen crap like this before, so we recognize the smell. Children are immature and inexperienced and they believe they can get away with anything.

If you only knew what I know. :)
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GrayFriar Mendicant
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04-09-2005 06:34
From: Neehai Zapata
If you only knew what I know. :)

If you only knew what you think you know...
Neehai Zapata
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04-09-2005 09:43
I am forming a volunteer group of fake firemen.

We are going to patrol the country because there are far to many people running around with their pants on fire.
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Lianne Marten
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04-09-2005 11:12
From: GrayFriar Mendicant
If you only knew what you think you know...


He does know what he thinks he knows, that's why he said so.

What you should have said was "If only you knew what I knew what you thought you knew."
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Chance Abattoir
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04-09-2005 12:38
From: Lianne Marten
He does know what he thinks he knows, that's why he said so.

What you should have said was "If only you knew what I knew what you thought you knew."


But what you don't know can't hurt you- you know?
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GrayFriar Mendicant
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04-09-2005 14:52
He who Knows not & Knows not that he know not, he is a fool - Ignore him
He who Knows & Knows not that he knows, he is asleep - Awake him
He who Knows not & Knows that he Knows not, he is a learner - Teach him
He who Knows that he Knows, he is a wise man - Follow him

I would not follow Neehai anywhere as there is no doubt there is little wisdom in those ankle-biter posts.
Weedy needs to be weeded because there seemed, at one point, to be a microscopic chance he might be educable. But I am rapidly giving up hope.
Liane... well, I tend to ignore her sleepy posts. Unfortunately, I accidentally paid atention in this thread.

As for me, what can I say. I am here. I am involved. None of you are. So, all things considered.... draw your own conclusions wrong as they may be.


PS. Liane.. I suggest that you never correct someone with the words "what you should have said". In doing so, you presume to know the thoughts of the other person better than he or she does. In my case, I said EXACTLY what I meant. I understand very well the difference in meaning caused by moving the modifier. Apparently, you don't. And thus, you don't understand my meaning.
Chance Abattoir
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04-09-2005 15:09
From: GrayFriar Mendicant
He who Knows not & Knows not that he know not, he is a fool - Ignore him
He who Knows & Knows not that he knows, he is asleep - Awake him
He who Knows not & Knows that he Knows not, he is a learner - Teach him
He who Knows that he Knows, he is a wise man - Follow him


If you don't know that you don't know, then you think you know. Therefore, he who knows that he knows could very easily not know that he doesn't know because he refuses to know that he might not know. You obviously think that you know you know, and (according to your proverbs above) that means you think people should follow you.

Why are you looking for sycophants on a game forum? Especially, a game dedicated to separating itself from reality?

I don't think anybody here is likely to help you overthrow the U.S. government.
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Neehai Zapata
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04-09-2005 16:04
From: someone
As for me, what can I say. I am here. I am involved. None of you are. So, all things considered.... draw your own conclusions wrong as they may be.

That reminds me. What is the difference between involved and committed?

It's like a bacon and egg breakfast. The chicken is involved while the pig is committed.
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Rose Karuna
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04-09-2005 19:13
From: Neehai Zapata
I am forming a volunteer group of fake firemen.

We are going to patrol the country because there are far to many people running around with their pants on fire.


Neehai I wuv you - will you marry my brother so that I can have you as a family member? :D

(In case your wondering, he IS cute).
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Isis Becquerel
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04-09-2005 19:38
Blechhhh...why is it that each and every time I take a shot at a serious discussion it turns into an "I know you are but what am I" battle of the twits :( Maybe I should stick to the fluffernutter of poetic verse in and stop with the fight for intelligent debate on topics that affect all of us in some way regardless of the degree of affect. Pfft....we are all doodie heads and morons. Not a one of us knows anything for certain about the world at large nor one another...phew now that is over and we can commence with an actuall debate hopefully. Though I believe my dellusion with regard to the human mind may be of the grandeur sort.
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