WTF were you thinking?

I have never known anyone who was corrupt admit that they were so, or even so much as contemplate the idea that they may be so. It is one of the surest signs OF corruption, this insistance that such a thing is outside the realm of possibility.

Your conclusion is faulty. Check your premise.

I genuinely don't think you are corrupt. I do however think you are blinded to what a riduculous sham this group is as long as you have the public face of the group being so self serving and divisive. You don't bring about fairness and justice by compartmentalizing and excluding people. Take a good hard look at your involvement with it. Seeing you be part of this charade has really caused a major hit in my impressions of you.

Damnit, the circle is now complete. Hollaback Girl is stuck in my head

I don't think the group has agreed to do ANYTHING to exclude people, Cristiano!

If I thought the group WANTED to exclude people, I would not be a part of it.

I do think, though, and have said before, that it is reasonable to expect that members would be in good faith in support of the basic ideas of the group, rather than counter to them.

coco

Your logic is wrong. By your logic, anyone who complains of corruption must therefore be corrupt.

coco

Cocoanut,

How do you justify reinstating Anshe as an officer? She was voted out. Isn't the purpose of the group far more important than the egos involved? Surely the group can exist with Anshe as a member and not an officer - yet she is right back to being one. It just smacks of disigenuousness.

Heck, Cristiano, I haven't even been on the game to see her voted out, or reinstated! God knows what has been going on while I have been doing real life and posting on these forums.

But we all know the system has been borked, and a familiar form of griefing is to recall an officer. I won't know anything more about it until I get in game.

coco

i really wonder is it the fact that Anshe's name is on everything you fly over that is giving this issue so much fire. Did anyone actually stop and really read everything there? Isnt this what we all have been bitching about making possible in SL?(direct involvement in polocies but the residents,especially for those of us that have something to loose?) The entire issue of people upset cause Anshe was the spokesperson for this..im confused...people may have thier opinions on how much land and money she makes but the fact remains, she is one of the most successful people in sl. Its fact. And it is also a fact she didnt get there being rash or stupid.

and personally i didnt see anyone else volenteering or even approching LL in an organized manor trying to get thier voice heard. So why talk....if you do like...do it yourself...whats stopping you?

i may not agree....but everyone here in the fourms is pretty much a stakeholder...why? cause we all care enough to have our opinions heard. I say if we care so much...do something if we dont like it...talk is just that....talk. Anshe and the "so called justice watch" did something.

dont hate the player...hate the game.

The me too started before this. Remember 3 free sims for Neverland and all the perks for Bedazzle. Where was the outrage about this special treatment? Why dont you try to get 3 free sims for your project.

well they did the group that built neverland asked phillip and got 3 free sims for the project. no charge. and Bedazzle gets so many things from linden its not even funny. like front page coverage of chinatown on the web site and making builds and movies for SL. You think this is something? i dont see anshe getting 3 free sims , she pays for hers

I'd rather say it smacks of griefing, jealousy and poor taste.
Officer Recall griefing is a bannable offence, I've read reports in the Police Blotter confirming this. If you join a group only to issue officer recalls, it is griefing, and has nothing to do with 'their rights' as group members.

Oh, and btw, she left the group to end the recall. If you would have cared enough to read up on how group griefing is handled, you know that this is the only way to keep the group open. This griefer actually closed the group for new members for several days!

Seeing the reactions when MJW outFICed the FIC has been the best entertainment I've had in the forums in ages.

I find this whole thing amusing, and let me tell you, it is not the MJW members that makes me laugh.... It's the insane rage, desperate personal attacks, dubious interpretations and amount of energy their 'enemies' put into this that is laughable. Pretty telling. I'm not going to say that they are pathetic, but i am tempted, it kinda comes to mind.Fortunately, LL is having some grip on the situation, although I think they could have given a formal warning to more than one person in this case.

It's just a frigging lobbyist group. Get over it. Join, join another, ignore it, whatever. But personally attacking and insulting a group is what will get you banned in the long run. We saw what happened to Prok. The same will happen again if this keeps up.

I might add that Prok has been railing on me for not explicitly posting the SLCC planning meetings in Events. Ironic.

Not. By this logic a group that does not account for corruption should automatically be considered corrupt. Someone who complains about corruption may or may not be corrupt. Let me lay it out simply so you understand:

I have never known anyone who was corrupt admit that they were so, or even so much as contemplate the idea that they may be so. It is one of the surest signs OF corruption, this insistance that such a thing is outside the realm of possibility implies that all corrupt people say they aren't, but does not imply that people who say they aren't are all corrupt.

(sorry, pet peeve about fallacies)

I WANT MY 15 MINUTES OF FAME TOO !

Quite the effective officer!

I've been looking at this JusticeWhateverJunk, and I think the answer is simple. If you don't like what is going on, then make sure your voice is heard economically. Pull out, tier down and make it known that you're doing so because of what is happening. If you need help learning how to save off large structures before you do, let me know, I can help to educate.

If you agree with this group, then join. Though it seems that any group within SL doesn't have much actual power, so in of itself its just a circle-jerk of like interests. In that event, who even cares?

So, to recap:

Don't like it - make sure if you've patronized these people, you reduce their base of operation by not funding them anymore. If that requires you terminate rent agreements, sell off land wholesale or just pull out of SL for a while and subsist on minimal means, please do so. Economics can be very effective at communicating a point.

Like it - join the group, go to meetings and feel like you're part of something big. Lament later when you find out that most of your 'action items' languish in the 'send me an email' queue of LL's decision-making process.

Excellent!

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