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Can we all just stop the "Anit-Prokofy" Mentality

Nimue Galatea
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05-12-2005 11:57
Bob, you're my hero.

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P.S.: By the way....what's FIC? *please don't throw tomatoes at me*
Margaret Mfume
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05-12-2005 11:57
From: Aimee Weber

But I am guessing Bob knows which of the two sides is more likely to listen to reason.


I thought I knew. Wrong answer. It's a trick question; the answer turned out to be neither.
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Ingrid Ingersoll
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05-12-2005 12:02
From: Bob Bunderfeld
So, following your logic, you now plan on attacking Zoey, Kris, and Devlin? Think before you react please. That's really what this is all boiling down too.



Thanks!



Actually Bob, Zoey, Kris and Devlin haven't said one insulting, irrational word about me ever. So, by my logic, it would make absolutely no sense for me to get on their backs.

As far as I know, I haven't lost my mental faculties, but thanks for the reminder to think Bob, very helpful.

Thanks!
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Bob Bunderfeld
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05-12-2005 12:05
From: Nolan Nash
I guess we are reading different forums then Bob. Have you peeked in land & Economy lately? Prokofy seems unable to post without taking shots at people.

It's the same old insult ridden generalizations. Beta-Love-Fest-Tekkie-wiki-oldbie-midbie choke hold on SL-fuck-you-hedonists-anti business, garbage.

Do you remember SL before Prokofy Bob? Sure, there were some wars, but it was nothing compared to the past few months. It's as if this was Prokofy's goal, to cause a huge, non-stop war.


It takes TWO to have a war Nolan. Ignore him, but why keep feeding his ego, his craving?



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05-12-2005 12:06
From: Nimue Galatea
Bob, you're my hero.

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P.S.: By the way....what's FIC? *please don't throw tomatoes at me*


The FIC is an interesting myth.



Thanks!
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Aimee Weber
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05-12-2005 12:06
From: Cienna Samiam
The only thing that bothers me about Prokovy is that someone who is new might actually fall for the crap put out as 'truth'.

Other than that, I could not possibly care less.


Exactly Cienna. One of many examples that spring to mind right now was the bear project that was all the rage for the last two weeks. *I* made the bears on my own, I set them to be fully mod/copy/transfer, and Stoneself and I made every effort to ensure everybody/anybody got one and could display it.

Prokofy, however, claimed the bears came from the Lindens and were given to a select few of the FIC based on favoritism. Even when corrected, Prok continued to repeat this claim in other posts. What a terrible thing for a new user to read when they first come into the forums. :(

So ya. I don't think we should stoop to the same level of namecalling as Prok does, but we should stay vigilant and be sure to correct Prok's posts where/whenever necessary.
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05-12-2005 12:06
From: Ingrid Ingersoll
Actually Bob, Zoey, Kris and Devlin haven't said one insulting, irrational word about me ever. So, by my logic, it would make absolutely no sense for me to get on their backs.

As far as I know, I haven't lost my mental faculties, but thanks for the reminder to think Bob, very helpful.

Thanks!


So, you only plan on attacking those that have attacked you? Of course, that's very big of you. My point exactly.



Thanks!
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Ingrid Ingersoll
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05-12-2005 12:07
From: Bob Bunderfeld
So, you only plan on attacking those that have attacked you? Of course, that's very big of you. My point exactly.



Thanks!


I plan on not being a doormat for anyone ever.

Thanks!
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05-12-2005 12:08
From: Bob Bunderfeld
So, you only plan on attacking those that have attacked you? Of course, that's very big of you. My point exactly.

i agree with bob. you should attack us all. i think. :D
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Bob Bunderfeld
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05-12-2005 12:08
From: Aimee Weber
Exactly Cienna. One of many examples that spring to mind right now was the bear project that was all the rage for the last two weeks. *I* made the bears on my own, I set them to be fully mod/copy/transfer, and Stoneself and I made every effort to ensure everybody/anybody got one and could display it.

Prokofy, however, claimed the bears came from the Lindens and were given to a select few of the FIC based on favoritism. Even when corrected, Prok continued to repeat this claim in other posts. What a terrible thing for a new user to read when they first come into the forums. :(

So ya. I don't think we should stoop to the same level of namecalling as Prok does, but we should stay vigilant and be sure to correct Prok's posts where/whenever necessary.


Thank you Aimee! This is exactly what I would want everyone to do. You don't trust Prokofy? GREAT, watch him close and diligently correct him when he's wrong. Calling him names, feeding his ego, and giving him more reason to keep going does nothing to stop the real issue; being civil



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Cubey Terra
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05-12-2005 12:09
I would love nothing more than to stop having to refute the constant barrage of lies and misrepresentations originating from this person. There's never any hope of changing P's mind, but it's important to point out a lie, especially when the intent is to damage the reputations of a great many people in the game. After months of constant repetition, how many new players have actually begun to believe his malicious posts?

I personally have been attacked on more than one occasion. When someone posts libellous statements, they should be called on it, not ignored and treated with kid gloves. Lies are lies and should be treated as such.

In my opinion, his posts will not stop. His sole reason for posting his angry rants is to cause as much damage as possible, and sit back to enjoy the sight of turning one group against another while portraying himself as a champion of the underclass. It's his entertainment.
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05-12-2005 12:09
From: Jauani Wu
i agree with bob. you should attack us all. i think. :D


You...you...you


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05-12-2005 12:11
From: Cubey Terra

I personally have been attacked on more than one occasion. When someone posts libellous statements, they should be called on it, not ignored and treated with kid gloves. Lies are lies and should be treated as such.


I agree you should. But you apparently have more education then most Cubey, because I don't see you using "Ignorant Ass" as a term to describe someone you don't agree with.



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Ingrid Ingersoll
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05-12-2005 12:11
From: Cubey Terra
I would love nothing more than to stop having to refute the constant barrage of lies and misrepresentations originating from this person.


Yup.


Also Bob, you seem to be mixing up "defending oneself" with attacking. i invite you to read my posts before assuming I'm an ass, which you seem to have already, only because I refuse to be walked all over.
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05-12-2005 12:13
From: Bob Bunderfeld
I have no problem if Prokofy starts calling you names, that you shoot back, although, I do think the "bigger" thing to do would be to stop talking to the raving lunatic. Read carefully what I'm saying. People aren't starting threads and then have Prokofy come into them and start calling them names. Prokofy has been answering questions, and people, instead of saying, "You are wrong, and here's why", choose to say, "You are and ignorant ass because you talk long."



Thanks!



A telling moment for me was in a thread where he was criticized for not fleshing out his postion enough and downgraded for it. ?!?!? As many times as he's been told to shorten it up and called long winded? It sure seemed like the point was to find something to criticize at all cost.
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StoneSelf Karuna
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05-12-2005 12:14
From: Bob Bunderfeld
I think the SL community has always been one of the most tolerant communities I've ever had the pleasure of belonging too. But, I am puzzled by a recent push to attack Prokofy at every turn. Sure, he can be verbose, arrogant, antagonizing and agrrivating, but quite frankly so can a lot of us, yet we go untouched in these attacks.

the problem is the sheer number of people she attacks at one time.

she make such broad insulting comments that it seems to cover 99.9999% of sl's population. and even if .1% people respond... it's a big response.

and then when someone new response she turns around attacks the new responder.
and then it goes down the spiral of attack and defense.

so now some people are cutting her off at the knees before she gets a head of steam.
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05-12-2005 12:15
From: Bob Bunderfeld
I agree you should. But you apparently have more education then most Cubey, because I don't see you using "Ignorant Ass" as a term to describe someone you don't agree with.



Thanks!


No, I just mutter that under my breath as I compose more meaningful forum posts. :D
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05-12-2005 12:16
From: StoneSelf Karuna

so now some people are cutting her off at the knees before she gets a head of steam.


I have no care if you want to silence Prokofy right out, but I'm certain the intelligence level of SL Players is such that they can find a better way to do that then lowering themselves to calling Prokofy names; and if you can't, you probably shouldn't be in the arguement in the first place.



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Nolan Nash
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05-12-2005 12:17
From: Bob Bunderfeld
It takes TWO to have a war Nolan. Ignore him, but why keep feeding his ego, his craving?



Thanks!

I do ignore him. I don't respond to him anymore.

However, I do, and will continue to point out the one-sidedness and the inconsistency from some of Prokofy's defenders.

You labeled Prokofy as a "raving lunatic", above. Is that not a personal attack?
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05-12-2005 12:20
Bob,
Can you tell me what could have been avoided in here ? I mean really, it's damn near every thread.

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StoneSelf Karuna
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05-12-2005 12:20
From: Bob Bunderfeld
I have no care if you want to silence Prokofy right out, but I'm certain the intelligence level of SL Players is such that they can find a better way to do that then lowering themselves to calling Prokofy names; and if you can't, you probably shouldn't be in the arguement in the first place.

actually most of the responses have moved from mere namecalling to very erudite namecalling.

but seriously, you're making these comments on the tail-end of a cycle. most of the current comments aren't namecalling. but the volume or response is so large that the namecalling stands out.

i think the big wave of namecalling was like a dam bursting... the forum members restrained themselves for a very long time, and then they couldn't take it anymore. i think the dam is emptying now.
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05-12-2005 12:21
From: Nolan Nash
I do ignore him. I don't respond to him anymore.

However, I do, and will continue to point out the one-sidedness and the inconsistency from some of Prokofy's defenders.

You labeled Prokofy as a "raving lunatic", above. Is that not a personal attack?


Actually it was a quote. I will go back and put quotations around that. I was merely quoting him who stated it earlier.



Thanks!

PS - After reviewing the post in Question, Nolan is correct, I inadvertently attacked Prokofy by calling him a "Raving Lunatic". I took the word from the "mentality" word of Huro's post and shouldn't had. I apologize for my actions, and ask that you see your way to forgive my oversight.
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05-12-2005 12:23
From: Jauani Wu
Where ever I go in SL, I can't find anyone who isn't talking about Prokofy's latest antic, how much they hate Prok, or speculations on the true nature of Prok.
For any who want a break from this drumbeat, visit sim Gypsy Moon where Prok has never been mentioned even once because better things are happening! ;)
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05-12-2005 12:25
From: katykiwi Moonflower
For any who want a break from this drumbeat, visit sim Gypsy Moon where Prok has never been mentioned even once because better things are happening! ;)
rent my land!!! :D
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Seth Kanahoe
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05-12-2005 12:26
For the moment, Prokofy seems to have lost interest in following me across the forums, deliberately distorting my comments, mischaracterizing my opinions and my personality, and calling me names. *shrugs. So I have no problem refraining from defending myself.

Which is pretty much what it boils down to for most people who have encountered him or her.
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