Sampireun Design For Sale
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Cristalle Karami
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07-29-2008 16:59
From: Phil Deakins If I was selling up (no no no - leave the champers where it is - I'm staying) I'd want it to be known in RA as well as in any sub-forums that it's more suited to. Marcel has been a great asset to the forum, and I don't think it's too much to allow such a person to 'advertise' his business right here, so he can leave SL with a bit of money. It will give it the greatest exposure that this forum can offer, and I think he merits it. To be honest, I think that 'rules are rules' posts are a bit much in this case, and they would be in similar cases for many of the forum regulars.
I would have thought that the people here would have wanted someone like Marcel to leave as well as he can, and even welcomed this thread into RA. What if it was Chaos? Or someone that lurks mostly but posts on occasion? None of us are entitled to special treatment. I certainly wouldn't seek that for myself if I wanted to sell - and at one point last year, I did, and put it elsewhere.
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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07-29-2008 17:02
From: Cristalle Karami What if it was Chaos? Or someone that lurks mostly but posts on occasion? None of us are entitled to special treatment. I certainly wouldn't seek that for myself if I wanted to sell - and at one point last year, I did, and put it elsewhere. I agree, there should be no favorites, yet, there are
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Alicia Sautereau
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07-29-2008 17:35
From: Rhaorth Antonelli I agree, there should be no favorites, yet, there are what`s new... /me goes back to lurking...
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Macphisto Angelus
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07-29-2008 17:46
Good luck Marcel. I am very sad to see you selling out. I hope the personal matters you are facing are resolved soon. I know it is not a light decision to sell out and lord knows you have worked your butt off to make the place a success. Take care of yourself. I wish you the best.
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Maureen Boccaccio
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07-29-2008 17:55
Marcel!! Sorry to hear you are selling your business!!! I hope all is OK with you, other than that...know we are thinking of you! 
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Ashe1 Writer
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07-29-2008 18:00
Marcel, hope everything works out for you...good luck!! Alicia------Girl, where have you been? Missed you  Ashe
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Gabriele Graves
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07-29-2008 18:05
Marcel, though we have often not seen eye to eye on issues, I too am sorry to see you go. All the best in the future.
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Kaimi Kyomoon
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07-29-2008 18:19
Gosh Marcel, if the personal circumstances forcing the sale are not happy ones, may they soon be well resolved for you. I hope you will still be around - I'd miss you if you weren't.
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Alicia Sautereau
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07-29-2008 18:22
From: Ashe1 Writer Marcel, hope everything works out for you...good luck!! Alicia------Girl, where have you been? Missed you  Ashe Heya, hope it`s all going well  busy rl, some set backs, job bla bla bla and just lurking while trying to pickup the pieces of when i had to drop everything, including the loss of my server 
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Porky Gorky
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07-29-2008 23:53
From: Cristalle Karami Because there is a difference between "banter" and advertising, the first of which has been requested as permissible and the latter of which is reviled almost universally. And Marcel is an intelligent adult, he knows better. Yes, many of us sell things, including our businesses, but we don't make separate threads for them here. Get in line in classifieds like everyone else, or put it in the sig. Banter, classifeds, poeple blogging, none of it belongs in resident answers. You wanna do that then go to SLU. You can accept random banter as being acceptable but be appalled by a classified ad? you are a hypocrite.
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Marcel Flatley
Sampireun Design
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07-30-2008 01:35
You know, I really do not understand some of you people. Probably my loss, but nevertheless. Half of the topics in RA do not belong here. Some of you who think my thread does not belong here, I saw advertising shameless in the Never ending Thread. So tell me how much different that is? Some people live to complain it seems, without understanding that they are as off-topic as the OP was. On the other hand, I do not care anymore. People interested in buying my business, are welcome to contact me. People who want to complain about this thread, be my guest. Have fun with it. To the people that did show they care: thanks a lot 
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Marcel Flatley
Sampireun Design
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07-30-2008 02:48
From: Porky Gorky There is already enough crap on this archaic forum for it to be classified as being rubbish, so another out of place post isn't make any difference so chill out chaps. To the OP - out of interest what would you consider a serious bid? Porky, Missed this post entirely between all the ranting  Sicne the average sales in the last few months is around 25K, I would estimate around 75K. With the total package (ready furniture plus materials to make more) there is a lot of potential, I just do not have the time.
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Phil Deakins
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07-30-2008 04:53
I do think that the "shouldn't post it here" posts are technically correct, but out of order. There are RA regulars who I think ought to be given every assistance if/when they leave SL, simply because of the value they have been here, and the RA sub-forum is the place to get the most exposure for selling up.
Marcel is a direct competitor of mine, and he's selling a business that is intended to continue competing with me, but he is always a calm voice in the sometimes troubled froum waters, and that has been a great value in the RA forum. Imo, it is so much better to help a person in this way than not to - and that's from a direct competitor.
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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07-30-2008 05:05
From: Phil Deakins I do think that the "shouldn't post it here" posts are technically correct, but out of order. There are RA regulars who I think ought to be given every assistance if/when they leave SL, simply because of the value they have been here, and the RA sub-forum is the place to get the most exposure for selling up.
Marcel is a direct competitor of mine, and he's selling a business that is intended to continue competing with me, but he is always a calm voice in the sometimes troubled froum waters, and that has been a great value in the RA forum. Imo, it is so better to help a person in this way than not to - and I'm a competitor. I do not know marcel, so can not speak for his character the only problem I have with the "we should allow this one or that one" is, everyone will do it while I do wish marcel all the best with his RL, and hopefully he will not have to sell and can keep his SL business, I do have to say that technically he should not have posted it here I would hate to have to sell my SL business, but if it ever came to that, I would not post it here, I know if I did, the type of response would not be good I know some folks feel that those of us who say it should not have been put here, think we are being mean to marcel, but that is not the case. I just would like to see things on an even setting for everyone, if it is ok for one, then it should be ok for all (someone mentioned how would people react if it were say, chaos who posted he was selling his business, or let's say selling his city) no one commented how they would react sometimes one has to put their feelings aside, and think without emotion (I know I know, I am a good one to be saying that) I think emotionally way too much, and I know I do it, I need to not do it (it causes more angst and confusion within one's self than anything, and it is hard to change that way of thinking) If I said anything that hurt or offended anyone in this thread I do apologize, it was not my intent When I speak about the rules, I am speaking about them from a technical standpoint. On a personal level, I don't care who posts what, and where I was/am merely stating my interpretation of the rules, nothing more
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Phil Deakins
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07-30-2008 05:12
I saw the question about Chaos. I haven't really got used to him, so I don't know his character. But an event like leaving SL and hoping to sell a business to take some money away, is so rare that the place isn't likely to be flooded with such threads. It's not like starting a business and selling it once it's got on its feet, and staying in SL - maybe to do the same again. It's not that sort of thing. It's someone leaving SL completely, and hoping to take a few hundred dallars on the way out. It is techincally against the RA rules, but it's not likely to open any flood gates, and it's a good thing to accept - even for people like Chaos and me 
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Rioko Bamaisin
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07-30-2008 05:12
Are you for real Rha? You have mentioned your products COUNTLESS times on the undying thread. You have mentioned every single product you ever made or project you have been involved in COUNTLESS times on these forums. You even made a thread about your friend's baby dolls! Damn, you have a lot of nerve.
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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07-30-2008 05:24
From: Rioko Bamaisin Are you for real Rha? You have mentioned your products COUNTLESS times on the undying thread. You have mentioned every single product you ever made or project you have been involved in COUNTLESS times on these forums. You even made a thread about your friend's baby dolls! Damn, you have a lot of nerve. did you not see the part where I said.... TECHNICALLY???? I said on a personal level I do not care so... I do not think I have a lot of nerve, I am not saying oh you can't do that I am saying, technically none of us should (and that included me) and for your info, I have not posted COUNTLESS times, about everything I am involved in, FAR from it you... have more nerve than I funny how things like this bring out the true nature in a lot of folks please read my post again, and understand that I.... don't....care....who...posts....what....and....where I am merely agreeing on the technicality of it (much like phil did on his post, just using different words) /me shakes head in amazement at how quickly people do love to attack (and no I did not attack marcel for posting here, I agreed with someone about how technically the post should not have been here) THAT is not saying I am perfect, HELL I AM THE FIRST TO ADMIT I AM FAR FROM PERFECT I am just amazed that you think I have mentioned my products countless times... *sigh* oh and as for the post in regards to my friend... yeah that did me a lot of good, I got called crazy, and two faced and that I am threatening to remove a specific thread, yep that really did me good see... funny how things work isn't it (if I could go back, and not do that post AND a lot of my previous posts, I would)
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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07-30-2008 05:32
From: Rioko Bamaisin AYou have mentioned every single product you ever made or project you have been involved in COUNTLESS times on these forums. I had to quote this part, because I really want to know.... how do you know, if I have posted about every single product I ever made or project I have been involved in? countless times none the less please, explain how you know what I do, what I am involved in, and how you know each and every product I have made, that you can make such a statement (the stuff I have mentioned and the projects I have mentioned, are but the tip of the iceberg of my SL life, and in case you have not noticed, I am no longer posting about my stuff, especially in the undying thread (I posted once since the 2nd of July, and deleted that post because I was not comfortable with it being there) should I just go and delete all my posts in there, so no one has to see me mention my stuff or things I am doing? should I just go and delete all my posts everywhere? am I upset? damn fucking right I am, I dunno where you get off with saying I post about every single product and project COUNTLESS times, with such a tone that I am doing something wrong, yet it is perfectly acceptable that everyone else can post about their items, their projects, etc
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Marcel Flatley
Sampireun Design
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07-30-2008 05:34
From: Rioko Bamaisin Are you for real Rha? You have mentioned your products COUNTLESS times on the undying thread. You have mentioned every single product you ever made or project you have been involved in COUNTLESS times on these forums. You even made a thread about your friend's baby dolls! Damn, you have a lot of nerve. Thanks Rioko, did not want to start an attack or so but this is exactly what I was referring to in my posting. Saying "technically" it is wrong, after doing it over and over again yourself, is in my eyes unbelievable. For heavens sake, your products were sold IN the undying thread Rha. "I payed you 1000 linden". "I dropped the fatpack on your profile". Seriously... don't you think it is smarter then, to refrain from any comments here? Anyway, I would appriciate it if this thread, which was intended to sell my business, does not end up in a fight. Enough threads to use for that...
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Rioko Bamaisin
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07-30-2008 05:38
Oh the drama,lol. Don't worry Marcel I have nothing more to say on the subject. Good luck 
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Zaphod Kotobide
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07-30-2008 06:14
I'd think twice about selling the full perms lfox textures and the B&B animations, unless you've gotten an ok from Lauren Fox and Craig Altman. It's most likely against the license agreement to sell them on like that.
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Phil Deakins
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07-30-2008 06:16
/me notices that this thread has shrunk a bit 
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Zaphod Kotobide
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07-30-2008 06:18
Probably for the better. From: Phil Deakins /me notices that this thread has shrunk a bit 
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Faithless Babii
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07-30-2008 06:20
hmmmim kind of interested...but what i dont understand is...how the permissions would work and how you would be able to make it water tight ie: I pay for example 75k but you might still have everything in your inventory to re-sell-sell again...use if you return...etc..
I dont know you..so i have no idea of your integrity...and really who can trust who here...is there a way of making it legal & binding? or is just a gentlemans agreement?
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Marcel Flatley
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07-30-2008 06:27
From: Faithless Babii hmmmim kind of interested...but what i dont understand is...how the permissions would work and how you would be able to make it water tight ie: I pay for example 75k but you might still have everything in your inventory to re-sell-sell again...use if you return...etc.. I dont know you..so i have no idea of your integrity...and really who can trust who here...is there a way of making it legal & binding? or is just a gentlemans agreement? To be honest, I would not know wether this could be done legally, as that would probably cost more then the business itself  The least I can do anyway, is revealing my RL data, so you would know I am not some anonymous scammer. Since I do have payment info on file, LL also knows who I am of course. Now I can promise you to delete my account after the transfer (all would be transferred full permission to you), but it is a matter of trust that I will. Even if I ever decide to return, it will not be with this account anyway. If youre inworld this evening we can discuss the options of course. Greetings Marcel
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