Running to Mommy

Don't try and confuse me with your sense making! Personally I wish people would understand that there's a difference between being against a belief and being against the believer. That's why I think the religious intolerance card gets way overplayed. I'm not sure it's possible to be intolerant towards something inanimate.

I wish you believed in something, and I wish you knew how it felt to have someone insulting it and attacking it. Then maybe you'd understand why what was written on 'the other thread' was quite unacceptable.

I just logged in to SL and there was the rules waiting for me to accept. The top rule concerned tolerance. I didn't know there was a rule against belittling religion, but it's there.

I've not changed. It's just that this is the first time I've cracked my rifle butt up against the side of you head.

Unlike my more pacifist Liberal brethren, I'm solidly Leftist. I share the same views but I use a combination of rational thought and applied force to get my point across. I always approach a discussion rationally and when those on the other side of the table fail to meet my expectations, I get creative.

In closing, it's really important to realize that this is just a forum and these are only words. No bibles were hurt in the writing of the aforementioned thread -- that you know about anyways.

~Ulrika~

If by your reasoning you feel it is OK to instruct people to burn bibles, then I wish not to have anything else to do with you. I can only assume your attitude extends to ridiculing my many Muslim friends, and those I know who are Hindu, and anyone I might meet who is another religeon. I will pass on your name to them so they can avoid you and not be insulted by your lack of tolerance for their personal beliefs.

I cannot recommend enough the ignore feature of the forum. When you're done drying your tears, give it a try.

~Ulrika~

Actually...
http://www.classicactionfigures.com/Reviews/BBIGeorge.htm

Go Ulrika!

Jsecure - I wished you knew what it felt like to have people who believed in something that was so different from what you did shove it down your throat at every turn to such an extent that it made you hate it.

That is what has happened to so many of us unfortunately.

I know someone with a serious disease who could be saved with stem cell treatment, do you think they can get it here in the U.S.? NOT. Thanks to a group of people who have leglislated their beliefs.

I know people who have been turned down for jobs because they were not "Christian", have been turned down assistance when they really needed it and have just generally been treated as second class citizens. My brother was severely beaten and hospitalized by radical young "Christians" who did not believe his "lifestyle" was "right".

I did not declare war on religion, it declared war on me so far as I can see. I have never in my life disrespected a bible or a koran or anyone's sacred place of worship. If you wonder why anyone would though... this might give you some insight. Perhaps things are different in the UK than they are here in America.

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It is bad that Ulrika posted that thread and made all the Christians like Jsecure feel persecuted and suffer.

However, can your suffering compare to that of Jesus Christ? Which is worse, reading a thread by Ulrika or being nailed to a wooden cross and left to die in the blazing sun on a hilltop.

Gives you some perspective doesn't it.

I believe I am not a sinner or evil or a pedophile.

That doesn't stop Christians from pulling this shit. I really have a hard time feeling pity.

http://traditionalvalues.org/homosexual_movement_and_pedophilia/

If destroying a bible means one less person is converted to this hateful propaganda, I'm okay with it.

I believe in a great many things, Jsecure, and I'm very familiar with having my beliefs disparaged and maligned. I've no doubt that I've experienced it far more often than you have, considering I'm a lifelong atheist in a country populated by mostly religious people. Having a persecution complex is a waste. It accomplishes nothing except to predispose people to feel like victims when they're not, and cause them to stick their fingers in their ears when confronted with contrary ideas. It's not beneficial to anyone. I don't believe there's anything truly offensive in disagreeing with a religion, political position, or a particular philosophy. We are taught to be offended. It discourages dissent. But it's the 21st century now and it's high time we stopped being afraid to be honest.

the thread she linked in her response. Thanks for speaking for her.

Click the wayback machine to 1961 and view this classic warning video that all homosexuals are pedophiles

http://www.archive.org/details/boys_beware

We've come a long way baby

It seems homosexuals will always be persecuted

I am a christian, and the link you posted offends me deeply, as they are using the teachings of peace to condemn people who are different than they are

I should put up a poll, which is more nonsensical, the 1961 Prelinger video, or the traditional values website?

Gotta love how "conservatives" want to tell everyone what to do

I am not gonna get baited into this discussion beyond this. I just wish all people (gay or straight, religious or Athiest) a happy, peaceful life and leave it at that

This is religion bashing, pure and simple. I think the Lindens are presumably opposed to this sort of intolerance.

There's no excuse for constantly bashing Cristians, or constantly bashing Jews, or constantly bashing Buddists, or Muslims, or whatever religious group.

Steal the Koran! Burn the Torah!

Does that sound as cool?

There is nothing gained by making fun of others' religious symbols, or encouraging people to actually commit crimes against property, for God knows what reason. No reason, I guess.

These off-topic forums aren't full of people posting hate notes to atheists. They do, however, harbor people insisting on behaving in an intolerant and derisive manner toward other people's religious beliefs, in thread after thread after thread.

That is the difference.

My brother was a staunch atheist. Indeed, he considered himself far more rational in this regard than those who believed in a higher power of some sort. And I considered him less enlightened than some of those who do. And we both totally respected each other and loved each other till the end of time. But never did he bash people for their beliefs, and never did I bash anyone for their lack of them.

It's called tolerance. And kindness.

We need a hell of a lot more of both on these forums, and a lot less bigoted and arrogant commentary. I, for one, resent the constant and gratuitous bashing of my religion on these Second Life boards.

coco

so turn the other cheek --OR get active within your faith based community to ensure that acts of intolerance are not done in your name.

As far as persecution goes, I don't think you guys have been fed to lions in quite some time.

I'm not the one with the problem, Kendra.

coco

Ha ha!

~Ulrika~

I've been racking my brain to see if I could think of an inanimate object that I hold so dear that the mention of it being stolen or burned on an internet forum would cause me to play the victim card and scream persecution.

I paused to think of a form of faith so weak, that the easily reprinted doctrines and dogma which outline that faith , that even a cursory threat of destruction would constitute an assault on my owm personal faith.

I thought of the millions and millions of people who have died for crimes of heresy and non-belief in those written words. I've thought of the endless persecution by religious people against people of other religions and people of no religions.

I thought of a religion so based in persecution that it's very symbol was a man nailed to a cross to die.

I thought of this passage in the Torah (Bible), that I was taught in Hebrew School when I was a wee tot growing up in a very religious household.

"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath...Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them" (Exodus 20:4-5; also Deuteronomy 5:8-9)"

And I wondered how the hell a person could get so worked up over a symbol being destroyed.

I thought of Abraham. The common "father" of the earth's three (current) major religions, beginning all this by smashing idols and what his reaction might be to hysteria over the theft or destruction of a mass produced idol --

--then I laughed knowingly.

My indignance isn't toward the suggested destruction of private property. My indignation is towards Ulrika's lately constant haranguement of these forums. There is enough bullshit in here without her pointed and undeniably successful attempts at causing shit filled threads. It gets old.

I wonder if anyone else see's the humour in this? I replied "Nice, your hypocrisy shines bright."
I had no longer hit the submit button and the troll had deleted my post. The quoted thread is found here but don't bet on being able to post to it /103/16/69341/1.html

But we're still okay -- aren't we snookie-ookie-ookums?

Actually no, I don't think so. Ulrika's recent rise in bile and your back smacking has turned my stomach.

Here comes another one ...

~Ulrika~

Oh goody!