Running to Mommy

I am not against the war on terror but i am against the war in Iraq. I just don't understand how many of you think we should of did nothing after 9/11. If we were just sitting back twiddling our thumbs i gaurentee we would of suffered dearly. Now that we are over there(in iraq) all we can do is support our troops who are our brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, daughters and sons. Bush I believe lacks judgement and can be foolish. Hell I didnt vote for him but to already convict him and anyone else that voted for him is well ridiculous. Share your opinions but if you don't like USA then get the fuck out.

I don't think most people who dislike Bush would argue against doing "something" about terrorism, just not to the extremes or misdirected attempts that the current administration has pushed on us. The chance that you will be a victim of terrorism is probably somewhere near getting struck by lightning or being killed by bees, but you don't see us waging war on the sky or bugs. If the objective of terrorism is to motivate change through shock and awe, then obviously the terrorists are winning.

Sure !

Pictures of dead babies offend you? How about the fact that they're dead in OUR name. That offend you?

Lets whine a little louder shall we.

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Dear, both offend me. The fact that children are dying in Iraq offends me. Heck, the War offends me, as it does the majority of America.

But what truly offends me right now is that there are people in this forum who think they need to shove disrespectful pictures of corpses in order to prove their point. And what I find *truly* laughable is that they feel this forum needs shock therapy to stop us from....get this.....*approving* of George Bush.

Yeah, that's right....The SL Forums, this bastion of neo-conservative idealism, is Blinded by the Right. The only way to shock them out of their heretical views is to show them baby corpses.

Okay, rant off. Apology accepted, Mulch.

Disrespectful pictures of corpses? What does that even mean?

Your tax dollars paid to murder those children -- look at them. To deny the awesome meat-grinding power of the U.S. military would just be un-American.

~Ulrika~

May I hire Kendra as my lawyer?

And I would also like Ulrika to be on my legal team as well.

Lione, If you are outraged by the pictures, don't blame me for posting them, blame yourself for allowing it to happen.

Again, not directed directly at you Lione, but since you are the one most offended, I must defend my actions directly to you.

I have removed the inappropriate images which were posted to this thread. I'd like to remind everyone that the purpose of the Second Life Forums is to promote discussion and education about Second Life.

should I have blacked out (what was left of) their eyes?

Hmm, maybe we need a sticky to define what "Off Topic" is for, because Jeskas Post confuses me

EDIT: The irony of this thread just hit me. I'm getting old, my reactions are off.

The Off-Topic forum exists specifically to discuss things that are not related to SL. If that has changed as of today, how do the General and Off-Topic forums differ?

~Ulrika~

They differ in the degree of selective enforcement of authority.

I just want to say that I did *not* communicate to Jeska in any way about the pictures.

I understand your outrage directed your posting, Mulch...as do Kendra and Ulrika, evidently. I just found the pictures tasteless. I guess I kinda saw them, and associated them with such things as "Faces of Death" and "the Silent Scream". I'm not really a fan of using the dead to shock people into an opinion...even if I happen to agree with that opinion.

I also felt it stepped over the line of rationally discussing the topic (which I'm not really sure what that topic was). Evidently, I was not alone in that opinion.

well someone ran to Mommy, so I guess if you take the long way there, this was quite ON TOPIC

and there is precedent why were are not shown pictures like this

it makes for negative propoganda, a less explicit photo example will follow shortly

EDIT: I do have access to grown ups who resemble hamburger more than humans. The children made my point with very little gore. Trust me, on the shock scale those pics were a 2 or 3 at most compared to the harsh reality of war that has been documented through visual media. That was very restrained.

For instance, a photo series of a child with no arms or legs that is still alive with tubes sticking in and out of him and stains on the sheets from the puss seeping from his wounds seemed over the top, and it was far more disturbing than the 3 pics I posted. The children who I posted suffer no more, the one I didn't continues to suffer and will suffer for life. That is a horror I cannot pass on, even though some might have found it less offensive since he wasn't dead

I thought I should respond to this. As me, I have the unique privilege of shaping my policy towards Americans, from myself.

I'd like to state, on behalf of me, that I have no issue with Americans. From the bottom of my heart, I think given the sheer size of America, it's impossible to have a problem with Americans, because America is such a huge land mass, with so many different peoples inside it, it's hard even to call them all 'Americans', because the people in that group are so diverse.

I'm quite pleased that what you say is that I don't like Americans, cause it's my pleasure to clear that one up here and now

Edit: Oh and that little red thingy, I didn't see it till just now. My bad.

I think about your post now Ulrika, and usually over time the effect of a post dies down inside my head. Over time the effect of your post has made me really quite sad, like I want to cry. Christianity is my religeon and it's my way of life. Sometimes I think I'm not vocal enough about it. I don't go door to door. I don't tell all my friends down the pub (although I'm supposed to spread the word, whoops) and I haven't been to church in some time. But it means something to me.

When you said people should burn Bibles, we Christians are not attacking anyone. But that's scary. That's like burning down our houses, or killing our family. Really, the Bible is important to me. It's a valued text, and it has deep meaning for me. I don't mind if you don't want to read it, but please don't ask lots of people to burn them. It makes me sad that you'd do that. You've always seemed like such a logical person, setting up your little sims, with democratic voting and stuff. It makes me sad and worried that someone at first so commited to fairness like you, is suddenly wanting to burn things that are sacred to me.

I don't understand. And I wish you wouldn't say such things.

the history of these photos is a story in itself

for the record, I support our troops. I support them to be home with their families. I support them coming home vertical.

I support the people who posted these photos against the wishes of those who wish to sanitize the images of war to protect their interests

all photos from one of the most amazing sites ever,

http://www.thememoryhole.org/

Now *that's* the way to show the horror of war without intruding on the memory of the dead.

I apologize if I've offended anyone with my stance in this thread.

Ulrika, you really do need to start exercising more discretion. You know people will do exactly what you tell them to despite their own judgement. I still haven't recovered from last week's "Hit Yourself In The Head With A Hammer" thread.

Yes, because we know it couldn't possibly have been closed for it's offensiveness toward Christians - it must have been because Jeska was worried people would run out to Motel 6, steal the Gideon's Bibles and burn them.

This link might be of use to you.

~Ulrika~

I should hate for you or your family to fall upon hard times Ulrika, because I would find it very hard in such a circumstance to make myself come to your aid. It's not nice what you do and what you say. Somewhere along the lines you've become something of a bully.