Einstein believe in intelligent design
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blaze Spinnaker
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11-09-2005 16:56
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Science can only be created by those who are thoroughly imbued with the aspiration toward truth and understanding. This source of feeling, however, springs from the sphere of religion. To this there also belongs the faith in the possibility that the regulations valid for the world of existence are rational, that is, comprehensible to reason. I cannot conceive of a genuine scientist without that profound faith. The situation may be expressed by an image: science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.
One has to wonder though, why God couldn't have intelligently created the evolutionary process. Why do humans have some kind of sacred place in God's kingdom? That's just more earth-is-the-center-of-the-universe type nonsense. |
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11-09-2005 18:32
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11-09-2005 18:37
From: blaze Spinnaker One has to wonder though, why God couldn't have intelligently created the evolutionary process.
Why do humans have some kind of sacred place in God's kingdom?
That's just more earth-is-the-center-of-the-universe type nonsense. If looked at from the perspective of the evolution of consciousness through forms, then the human being can be said to have evolved full consciousness. Then as humans, the journey home becomes one of experiencing who we really are. 
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blaze Spinnaker
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11-09-2005 18:45
I personally like the theory that some kind of secret spy message is embedded in our DNA.
After all, lets face it, it is the only way you could actually populate planets easily and send along a message that wouldn't get lost after millions of years.
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Cocoanut Koala
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11-09-2005 19:01
I like that there are few atheists in foxholes.
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Zuzu Fassbinder
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11-09-2005 19:05
From: Cocoanut Koala I like that there are few atheists in foxholes.
coco me too, but probably for a different reason
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11-09-2005 19:51
From: blaze Spinnaker One has to wonder though, why God couldn't have intelligently created the evolutionary process.
Why do humans have some kind of sacred place in God's kingdom?
That's just more earth-is-the-center-of-the-universe type nonsense. Einstein did not believe in Re-hashed Creationism. |
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11-09-2005 19:57
From: someone I like that there are few atheists in foxholes. I like that there are so many foxholes in the name of god.
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11-09-2005 19:58
From: Magnum Serpentine Einstein did not believe in Re-hashed Creationism. That's true...don't feel Blaze is suggestion that he did...Einstein's experience of divinity are well documented, and very inspiring. 
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11-09-2005 20:11
From: Cocoanut Koala I like that there are few atheists in foxholes.
coco I missed the study on that. What I like is that atheists have a lower divorce rate than fundamentalist Christians. |
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Lianne Marten
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11-09-2005 20:25
"'There are no atheists in foxholes' isn't an argument against atheism, it's an
argument against foxholes."
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Namssor Daguerre
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11-09-2005 20:44
I found this, and it seemed appropriate for this thread. |
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11-09-2005 20:48
Strato of Lampsacus was a light weight...
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11-09-2005 21:02
From: Neehai Zapata I like that there are so many foxholes in the name of god. You Go! |
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11-09-2005 21:07
I put more emphasis on the "what" rather than the "who" in {who says what}. That way I remain unbiased.
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11-09-2005 22:19
From: Lianne Marten "'There are no atheists in foxholes' isn't an argument against atheism, it's an
argument against foxholes." Haha - maybe so. But I still like it. coco |
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12-07-2005 07:19
From: blaze Spinnaker One has to wonder though, why God couldn't have intelligently created the evolutionary process.
Why do humans have some kind of sacred place in God's kingdom?
That's just more earth-is-the-center-of-the-universe type nonsense. Why shouldn't humans be special to their creator? After all, humans are the peak of creation, the only physical creation that can choose between good and evil and understand the concept of God. |
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12-07-2005 07:23
From: Kendra Bancroft You Go!  |
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Logan Bauer
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12-07-2005 07:24
If I remember right... Can't find the quote right now, but Einstein also did not "worship" a creator/divine power because he didn't think it was what a higher power wanted of us...
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Eggy Lippmann
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12-07-2005 07:31
From: blaze Spinnaker One has to wonder though, why God couldn't have intelligently created the evolutionary process.
Why do humans have some kind of sacred place in God's kingdom?
That's just more earth-is-the-center-of-the-universe type nonsense. Dude, you dont GET it. The Universe is fundamentally random, with a few simple rules like the laws of physics that leverage that randomness to create a self-organizing system. "God" is what the untrained minds label this emergent behavior. |
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Kevn Klein
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12-07-2005 07:38
From: Eggy Lippmann Dude, you dont GET it.
The Universe is fundamentally random, with a few simple rules like the laws of physics that leverage that randomness to create a self-organizing system. "God" is what the untrained minds label this emergent behavior. Who made the rules? He must be some great creator who can create laws of physics that leverage that randomness to create a self-organizing system. |
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12-07-2005 08:03
From: Kevn Klein Who made the rules? He must be some great creator who can create laws of physics that leverage that randomness to create a self-organizing system. If you believe God is an interventionalist God, or that God is "more powerful than the devil", then God is also the source of all your suffering, be it directly or indirectly. If you believe God is omnicient, all-seeing and all-present... Then he/she is watching it all happen too. Todd McFarlane(The creator of the "Spawn" comics/series) makes a very interesting argument that "God" is an angry child smashing his legos and tinker-toys together... If there is a divine power any more mature or intelligent than that, then it's pretty cold and calculating in addition to being benevolent and generous. Order IMHO just means that he/she can put all his toys in a nice neat row. |
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Kevn Klein
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12-07-2005 08:17
From: Logan Bauer If you believe God is an interventionalist God, or that God is "more powerful than the devil", then God is also the source of all your suffering, be it directly or indirectly.
If you believe God is omnicient, all-seeing and all-present... Then he/she is watching it all happen too.
Todd McFarlane(The creator of the "Spawn" comics/series) makes a very interesting argument that "God" is an angry child smashing his legos and tinker-toys together... If there is a divine power any more mature or intelligent than that, then it's pretty cold and calculating in addition to being benevolent and generous. Order IMHO just means that he/she can put all his toys in a nice neat row. I try to imagine what it must feel like to be the creator of all that is, being questioned by my creations. As far as suffering is concerned, does it seem one can understand and appreciate the opposite of suffering without having suffered? Could it be God has a bigger picture that we as paint drops can't comprehend, as we can't understand the mind and thoughts of the artist from the perspective of the paint? Should the paint tell the artist how to apply the paint to the canvas? |
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12-07-2005 08:32
From: Cocoanut Koala I like that there are few atheists in foxholes.
coco Haven't met many infantry lately? Granted the many Christians have the added propoganda from chaplains that honoring your oath to your country and your contract is more important to God than the evil of killing, but I've known quite a few atheist in the service. At least most of the time I didn't have to listen to the chaplains, though the propoganda from officers was worse: "Men you are going to join the 2% in the world that kills another human being, and you will not go to jail." That combined with the "You are wolves, not sheep speech," I just about went insane. I'm a MAN. I'm not a wolf or a sheep. *shakes his head* Sorry this thinking of fellow atheist discussing the propoganda we heard from the chaplains got me thinking about us discussing the propoganda from the officers. I'll go back to playing in the world I think is controlled by cosmic dice. I am a lucky man. Thank the dice that there is no God to smite me like some of the Christians and other atheist I knew. |
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12-07-2005 08:50
From: Logan Bauer If you believe God is an interventionalist God, or that God is "more powerful than the devil", then God is also the source of all your suffering, be it directly or indirectly. The source of all my suffering, directly or indirectly? Hmm. It's been a long time, but I do believe I need to track down my college girlfriend. While the point may be academic now, it would still be decent of me to inform her of her godhood. Hell hath no fury...
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