I just read an article that was an update from a week or so ago about a guy named Bob Cornuke who is basically a self-proclaimed "Christian explorer". I had read some negative things about this guy and I know there are a few others out there who also seek to find elusive artifacts - religious in their nature.
At my last read, it was said that Cornuke was leading an expedition in northern Iran to what he says is the actual mountains of Ararat. He claims the range in Turkey is not the ones depicted in the bible and was called Ararat later by Marco Polo.
Since this time, I noticed they had updated this guys progress that they say they did indeed find the ark and they have a link with photos of the petrified wood remains of the timbers on an elevation of about 13000 ft.
Check it out and tell us what you think of the validity of this. Could this be real in light that some say that Cornuke is a scam artist?
Article:
Koenig's International News
Article with photos of the ark:
Christian Worldview Network
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Jonas Pierterson
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07-13-2006 08:04
I just read an article that was an update from a week or so ago about a guy named Bob Cornuke who is basically a self-proclaimed "Christian explorer". I had read some negative things about this guy and I know there are a few others out there who also seek to find elusive artifacts - religious in their nature. At my last read, it was said that Cornuke was leading an expedition in northern Iran to what he says is the actual mountains of Ararat. He claims the range in Turkey is not the ones depicted in the bible and was called Ararat later by Marco Polo. Since this time, I noticed they had updated this guys progress that they say they did indeed find the ark and they have a link with photos of the petrified wood remains of the timbers on an elevation of about 13000 ft. Check it out and tell us what you think of the validity of this. Could this be real in light that some say that Cornuke is a scam artist? Article: Koenig's International News Article with photos of the ark: Christian Worldview Network copyright Supposedly its been found several times. Of course thers always the question of which flood myth, and whos boat it is, even if found. The biblical flood story is neither original nor exclusive. |
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Briana Dawson
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07-13-2006 08:15
I just read an article that was an update from a week or so ago about a guy named Bob Cornuke who is basically a self-proclaimed "Christian explorer". I had read some negative things about this guy and I know there are a few others out there who also seek to find elusive artifacts - religious in their nature. At my last read, it was said that Cornuke was leading an expedition in northern Iran to what he says is the actual mountains of Ararat. He claims the range in Turkey is not the ones depicted in the bible and was called Ararat later by Marco Polo. Since this time, I noticed they had updated this guys progress that they say they did indeed find the ark and they have a link with photos of the petrified wood remains of the timbers on an elevation of about 13000 ft. Check it out and tell us what you think of the validity of this. Could this be real in light that some say that Cornuke is a scam artist? Article: Koenig's International News Article with photos of the ark: Christian Worldview Network copyright Gee, in 1998 I was in Turkey visiting what I was then told was the resting site of the Arks remains. I also visited what they claimed was the 2nd christian city in history, Perge. Damn, looks like I paid out $35.00 for a bunk bus trip. And i REALLY THOUGHT i was looking at the Arks remains....  Briana Dawson _____________________
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Cindy Claveau
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07-13-2006 12:06
I just read an article that was an update from a week or so ago about a guy named Bob Cornuke who is basically a self-proclaimed "Christian explorer". I had read some negative things about this guy and I know there are a few others out there who also seek to find elusive artifacts - religious in their nature. As I recall, you also posted some stuff about the Bible Codes in another thread. Don't let your credulity get the better of you, please. Tentmaker Ministries and Publications Several years ago, we at Tentmaker Ministries and Publications did an extensive investigation into the claims of deceased Ron Wyatt with Wyatt Archaeological Research. He claimed that he discovered the actual locations of Noah's Ark, the Ark of the Covenant, Sodom and Gomorrah and several other significant archaeological discoveries. One of his supposed discoveries was the actual location of the real Mount Sinai which according to Wyatt was Jebel al-Lawz in Saudi Arabia. Our investigation concluded that Mr. Wyatt was a professional con man. We wrote that his "discoveries" were false. The article and some of the documentation can be found at: http://www.tentmaker.org/WAR/index.html Within the last year we received correspondence from someone asking us to do more research on the Jebel al-Lawz site. They felt that this site was indeed legitimate and that our report on Wyatt was tainting a legitimate organization that had done some extensive research on the Jebel al-Lawz site and came to the conclusion that this site was indeed the real Mount Sinai of the bible. They felt that the archaeological work done by BASE Institute, headed by Bob Cornuke, was valid - therefore we should remove the Jebel al-Lawz site from the list of Wyatt's bogus sites. Even though I didn't have the time to dig into another biblical archaeological matter (the Wyatt research took two weeks of my time), I felt obligated to see if there was any serious archaeological evidence that Wyatt may have lucked into a legitimate discovery. I started by looking at the information that BASE Institute provided on their internet site located at: http://www.baseinstitute.org/ The BASE institute site had some quotes from respected archaeologists which seemed to support the idea that Jebel al-Lawz was a good candidate for Mount Sinai. However, when I contacted some of these individuals, they assured me they never made such statements, neither did they feel Jebel al-Lawz was the real Mount Sinai. (Some of the information they posted at the time of this investigation, like the quotes from acknowledged archaeologists and scholars that suggest they supported the Jebel al-Lawz site have been removed from their site since then.) It became quickly obvious that some of the information on the BASE Institute site was not legitimate. Then I ran into a few people on the internet who had tried to have some serious questions answered by Bob Cornuke regarding this archaeological site. Their account of how they were treated by Bob Cornuke, his associates and lawyers let me see that I was NOT dealing with a legitimate archaeological organization, but something else. After reading some material from various sources about which mountains in the regions were possible candidates for Mount Sinai and why and some of the material on the internet site which gave points against Jebel al-Lawz, I put together a list of questions for the BASE Institute team to answer. The person who did most of the answering at BASE was a Ken Durham. His answers, as far as I was concerned, was a bunch of double-talk. I proceeded further with my questions. At this point, he told me his writings to me were copyrighted. In other words, I couldn't use his answers to my questions in my report. Well, that settled it for me. Archaeologists simply don't behave in this kind of manner. Those who have something to cover up do. I came across some other people who tried to ask Bob Cornuke and his team some reasonable questions. They got the same run-around and eventually were threatened with legal actions if they persisted. During my research into Bob Cornuke's claims, I came across a gentleman who also was asking a lot of questions of Base Institute's claims that Jebel al-Lawz is the location of the biblical Mount Sinai. He has done far more research into this than I have, and he also has been given the run-around. Below is a link which lists some questions Gordon Franz has posed to Bob Cornuke and Base Institute's "experts." Don't hold your breathe waiting for verifiable answers. Charlatans are everywhere. It's up to you to be skeptical and find out the truth. Skeptics aren't cynics - we simply ask for proof before we accept something. Now having said that, if you want to discuss the origins of the Noah myth, let's do that. It really is a fascinating subject. _____________________
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Richie Waves
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07-13-2006 12:15
Id KILL! to see a boat so big as to fit 2 of every animal (exept the unicorn cause it was gay) on it
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Briana Dawson
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07-13-2006 12:19
(exept the unicorn cause it was gay) Weren't those killed off (for being gay) in the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah? Just curious. Briana Dawson _____________________
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Juro Kothari
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07-13-2006 12:30
Those pictures look like rock - not wood. Besides, does anyone actually believe that every single air-breathing, land dwelling animal (x2) could fit on a boat that was supposed to be around 450ft in length? How would Noah and crew convince mountain gorillas or lions to join the cruise?
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07-13-2006 12:37
Those pictures look like rock - not wood. Besides, does anyone actually believe that every single air-breathing, land dwelling animal (x2) could fit on a boat that was supposed to be around 450ft in length? How would Noah and crew convince mountain gorillas or lions to join the cruise? It makes perfect sense as a myth written by people who were unaware of the existence of any animals outside the tiny geographical region they had experienced. Their concept of the whole animal kingdom probably would fit on a boat that size.  _____________________
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07-13-2006 12:45
Could this be real in light that some say that Cornuke is a scam artist? Er, no, because the whole thing is a fairy tale in the first place. (Or "allegorical" if you prefer.) |
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Richie Waves
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07-13-2006 12:48
(Or "allegorical" if you prefer.) Al gore was on the Ark? **checks the Wiki** _____________________
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Cindy Claveau
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07-13-2006 12:49
Those pictures look like rock - not wood. Besides, does anyone actually believe that every single air-breathing, land dwelling animal (x2) could fit on a boat that was supposed to be around 450ft in length? How would Noah and crew convince mountain gorillas or lions to join the cruise? And how did they get kangaroos and wallabies onto the boat when Australia hadn't even been discovered yet? More telling, why isn't there one single shred of geological evidence of such a worldwide flood? That much water (wherever it supposedly came from) would have had to left SOME sediment layers, even debris at higher altitudes. Furthermore, for that much water to rise that much in 40 days would have required a tectonic upheaval the likes of which we've never seen -- an upheaval for which, again, we have no evidence. _____________________
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Detrius Fardel
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07-13-2006 12:52
I'm selling original splinters of Jesus Christ's cross, is anyone intersted?
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Chip Midnight
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07-13-2006 12:55
I'm selling original splinters of Jesus Christ's cross, is anyone intersted? Awesome. I myself found the holy grail. Well, actually, it's just a vaguely cup shaped object I found in my yard, but I'm sure it's the grail! _____________________
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Richie Waves
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07-13-2006 12:55
I'm selling original splinters of Jesus Christ's cross, is anyone intersted? hmm.. you got proof its the real cross? or are to go on blind faith alone? _____________________
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Ordinal Malaprop
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07-13-2006 12:56
I haven't found anything really holy, but I've got a map to Santa Claus' secret grotto at the North Pole. L$10,000, no mod no copy no trans no nothing.
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Kevn Klein
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07-13-2006 13:16
If God sent the animals to the ark, as the Bible says, and they were all very young, it seems plausable to me there was plenty of room for them all. Evidence of a global flood exists.
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Cindy Claveau
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07-13-2006 13:17
Evidence of a global flood exists. Like what? (This ought to be really good.) _____________________
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Cannae Brentano
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07-13-2006 13:18
I've always wondered why Noah didn't swat both flies when he had a chance, but that's just me.
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Richie Waves
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07-13-2006 13:19
If God sent the animals to the ark, as the Bible says, and they were all very young, it seems plausable to me there was plenty of room for them all. Evidence of a global flood exists. oh for the love of christ.. tell me your not going to try say this shit is real... _____________________
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Cindy Claveau
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07-13-2006 13:19
oh for the love of christ.. tell me your not going to try say this shit is real... He just did  I can't wait. _____________________
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Richie Waves
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07-13-2006 13:26
He just did I can't wait. me either.. Ive refreshed 5 times now!! were the bloody hell is outr evidece kevn??????!!!!>>????!!!!11111!!!! _____________________
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kornation Bommerang
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07-13-2006 13:30
There is evidence tha the world was covered with water at one point (bajillion years ago)
but most of it was ice and this predates even the dinosaurs, oh yeah, explain dinosaurs (and indeed the creatures that was before them) and there co-existence with the bible? the bible is indeed a 'god book' (as in a good way of living) and does provide a lot guidence in times of upheval and distress - but its not the be all and end all. _____________________
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Cindy Claveau
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07-13-2006 13:39
There is evidence tha the world was covered with water at one point (bajillion years ago) but most of it was ice and this predates even the dinosaurs False. The Ice Age occurred about 16-20,000 years ago and mainly affected the Northern Hemisphere. The earth is about 4 billion years old and for most of that period had NO permanent ice on its surface. In fact, during the time of the dinosaurs the earth was much hotter and the atmosphere contained more CO2 than it does today. The percentage of the earth's surface that is water has varied a little, but it has been roughly 70% water since the time when it began to cool from a molten chunk and volcanoes began throwing vapor into the air to form an atmosphere. That's "most", yes, but it's the same today as it was 65 million years ago when the dinosaurs began dying off - the shapes of continents have changed, not so much their volume. _____________________
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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07-13-2006 13:48
If God sent the animals to the ark, as the Bible says, and they were all very young, it seems plausable to me there was plenty of room for them all. Further, the myth never actually states how diverse animals from every corner of the biosphere managed to make a world-crossing trek outside of their native biospheres to get on a magical wooden boat the size of a megapyramid. This is pretty damn far from plausible. Evidence of a global flood exists. ~Ulrika~ _____________________
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Billybob Goodliffe
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07-13-2006 13:51
The number of species on the planet is estimated to be 1.5 million. Assuming there are two of each and their mean mass is 1 kg, the total weight of the cargo would be 3e6 kg. Adding in food for 40 days and assuming that each animal eats 10% of it's weight in food brings the total mass to 1.5e7 kg. This is twice as heavy as the Great Pyramid of Giza. If each animal required a mean volume of 1 m^3, the total volume required to house these animals and their food would be 1.5e6 m^3, roughly the same volume as the Great Pyramid. Further, the myth never actually states how diverse animals from every corner of the biosphere managed to make a world-crossing trek outside of their native biospheres to get on a magical wooden boat the size of a megapyramid. This is pretty damn far from plausible. To cover all land up to the height of Mount Everest (8.848 km), one would need 4.5e18 m^3 of water, a volume that is almost four times that of all water on the planet counting all oceans, ice caps, glaciers, ground water, and lakes. A global flood is mythological nonsense. ~Ulrika~ I was once told there is enough water in the Great Lakes to cover the Earth in 8 feet of water.* Now I don't think the Ark is real either, I would find it odd to see a boat on the side of a mountain. I think that would be hilarious. * I don't remember the exact figures and I don't think it included mountain ranges _____________________
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