re: my admission to being arrested for non-payment of child support

Hell I do that for free

To bad the Jackass radar did work before you had four kids with one.

1 kid maybe, 4 kids, no. You had to know the guy was a turd.

I'm not saying this is the case but I've seen to many people use child support as a way to get revenge on some ex they don't like.

I don't believe in Debtors' prison even if it is for the kids.

You should have got the $2500 lawyer for the child support hearing. You would have your child support and then some.

http://www.dol.gov/esa/regs/compliance/whd/whdfs30.htm

Like not paying for instance.




They don't jail you soley for not having the money. It is more complicated than that.

Wage garnishment is easily gotten around.

Well a lot of men seem to believe in supporting the family they are with. If you live with them, everything is cool, if you don't well outta sight outta mind. It seems like there ar a lot of men willing to take care of the new woman and the new kids and the old family is just tossed like garbage.


Personally I don't believe in Child Support, it causes more problem and more pain than it is worth. I think women should just buck up, take care of their kids and left Karma take care of the father. Feminism doesn't include begging.

I am glad I don't know anyone who avoids paying. I may have to take a hedge clipper to their.. ummm.. (not you Cybin, I do realize folks run into situations now and then, and you don't sound like a deadbeat)

I have several friends and a brother who have managed to always pay theirs. For years and years. I don't see what the big deal is with paying it, as it would usually take a much higher % of the dude's (or dudette's) income to run a family household that stays together. Not to mention, and as others have stated, it's scaled proportionate to income.

As usual, those who play by the rules get the dirty end of the corncob.

*Hmm, starts to wonder about the number of deadbeats who are also substance abusers, what with the statements made by some parents here about their ex's and their license (DUI) situations*

(Not that I am an angel, it's just that when and if I have a child, planned or unplanned, all that shit stops. Sorry, but LIFE CHANGES and so do PRIORITIES & RESPONSIBILTIES in the advent of a child)

Yes I agree. People who don't pay child support are dick heads.





Gee, really? Thanks for the clarification. I thought we were talking about putting people in jail for lack of paying child support. That to me = debtors' prison




If the dude works for KBR and she has a decent lawyer it won't be gotten around.

I might like to think about getting revenge on people, but I never do it. My ex is an ass, but it is in my children's best interest to spend time with their dad.
The state was garnishing his wages. He jumped from job to job to get out of it. Then he went to work for Haliburton, wages were garnished, and he transferred to Haliburton division Brown & Root. The state finally got the right papers to payroll at B&R, they started garnishing his wages, and he transferred again to another division.
My ex has recently bought two brand new SUVs, a new house, and he supports 15 horses. I take care of my children's needs, but $426 a month, though not much money, would keep my youngest daughter in clarinet reeds.
Right, jailing someone for non-payment of child support is a last resort. It's usually used in cases where the NCP owes a HUGE amount. Again, if a judge orders you to do something, and you refuse to do it, it is a crime.
As for women bucking up and taking on total responsibility to care for a child, it takes two to make a child (in most cases), and it takes two to care for a child (in most cases).

There isn't anything new here, pretty much as it's always been.
Feminism changed child support from begging to responsibilty. We aren't talking alimony.

A man who won't take care of (support) his own biological offspring is no man. In fact, he's worse than most animals. (Ditto for women.)

Cybin wishes his child to have this money, and doesn't begrude the CHILD having it, regardless of whatever went on between the father and the mother.

That is loving your child.

Thinking you have no obligation to support your offspring - regardless of any and all circumstances - is as low as a person can get.

coco

Wrong. No amount of "lawyering" will get the money if the person is dead set on not paying it....unless of course you throw their ass in jail.

Lawyers can get judgements. They do not go to the person's house and shake the change out of his pockets and hand it to the spouse.

You assume that all these people work in a nice and tidy office that complies with the entity doing the garnishment.

No, I'm right, if the dude works for KBR/Halliburton he will have his wages garnished with a court order.

I didn't assume anything. Go back and read the post, This was in reply to her specific case of about her ex. Stop reading into shit.

Lawyering can get you just about anything and can get you away with anything. Unfortunatlly most either can't afford or won't afford a decent lawyer when they need it the most.

No, you are wrong. The Texas Office of the Attorney General has tried to garnish his wages. But like I already explained, he jumps from division to division, and each one has a separate payroll department.

By the time the OAG tracks down which division he is currently working for and sends in the order to garnish wages, he's already moved to another division.

A court order to garnish wages does no good if a person is determined not to pay.

If one is trying to perform birth control by using a condom to cover their ass I hope another form of birth control is being used as well. Plus, the condom had best be the extra super double wide maxi plus size, at the least.

Calm down.



So what happens if both parties have top lawyers?

Your simplistic view just doesn't cover the multitude of variances that go into these situations, even for just the example as given which specifics you don't seem to want to believe anyway.

hahahahahahaa

Please explain how something can be off-topic in the off-topic forum.

I think you have the simplistic views here Gabe. You also read into shit and make assumptions. Telling me to "calm down" suggest to me you think I could care less about anything you have to say. I don't, in fact after reading your post I feel like I'm arguing with a little kid. Pure waste of time.

The most politically connected lawyer or the one with the most clout wins usually. It really has nothing to do with justice. Cut and dry cases are usually settled out of court and are never even tried.

I believe that her husband is shirking his child support. A good lawyer will get around this shit of him skipping around from division to division. You really have to be relentless to get things like this taken care of. Lawyers can be lazy just like cops, doctors or any other so called professional. You also get what you pay for in most cases.

There are two sides to every story and we just heard one of them. I'm sorry you two don't agree with me and think deadbeat dads should go to jail. It's ok, good for you, that's what is happening to people who don't have enough money to protect themself. Not just deadbeat dads either.

Like I explained, I feel debtors' prison should not be allowed. I also don't think it is neccessary in this case and many others. I also believe this kind of justice does more harm for the kids then good.

Gabe, Since you're such an expert, perhaps you and Kat can put your heads together and help her find a solution to her problem. Since she lives in Texas and I happen to live in Texas I would be happy to give her the name of a law firm that will take care of this for her. The thing is they're not cheap and I understand money is an issue. Getting 60% is better than getting zero and that is how it works sometimes. Like I said it has nothing to do with justice

Kat I'm sorry you had 4 kids with a sack of shit deadbeat. You deserve your child support. I hope you get it eventually. Your kids will understand when they're older that there dad is an ass. Good luck.


This is boring now. You two can flame away without any more of my input.

It was in another thread and Cybin moved it to make a new thread

So are the kids in danger, or not?

i just wanted to pop back in to comment on the whole jailing issue.

my opinion is that sometimes it's warranted and sometimes it's going too far.

in my case, i think it went too far. i wasn't behind for an extreme amount of time, it had been 8 weeks. for me that's laonger than i usually let it slip for and given another week or two i could have paid a good size chunk, if not all, of it off.

in a case where the payor hasn't paid for years, then it makes sense due to an apparent attempt to avoid paying.

it's an automatic process, there is no human decisions to this. after a certain amount of time, 6 - 8 weeks or so, a computer spits out a bunch warrant and at the same time a suspension of drivers liscense is enacted; which, in New Jersey, it costs $100 to restore said liscense.

i think it would be much more sane to have the computer set to something more like 6 - 8 months. at that length of time, if one hasn't been able to send in some amount of money, then it's most likely that the payor is just avoiding payments. on top of that, a notice should be the first step.. something that would give the payor a couple weeks to make arrangements. then if no attempt is made to rectify the situation, the computer would go ahead and spit out the bench warrant. although i disagree with one's liscense being suspended.. that's just goofy.

Cybin ~ while I understand that financial circumstances may cause late child support payments ... and I think you are are really good guy

When you are the custodial parent you can not say to your kid ... gee in a couple weeks I will go to the grocery store or we can get the prescription filled later. The custodial parent doesn't have the luxury of postponing for the 8 weeks that you were able to. And certainly not for months. I totally support that automated system.

When we divorced, the judge set up supervised visits for my ex bc he kept leaving our kids alone at his home (in the country, no phone). They were 10, 7, 5 and 3 at the time. The judge said that he had to go through all of the visits, then it would revert to shared custody. I asked the judge, "What if he never comes to any of the visits?" The judge said in that case, I would have sole custody.

He never came to any of them, and in fact, disappeared completely from their lives. About two years ago, he remarried, and the women he married has made an effort to have the kids be included in his life. She takes really good care of the kids, and I know they are safe with her there. His judgement about what is safe for them is still suspect. I just don't let them go over there when his wife is not home.

Long answer for a short question, huh?

Whew. Important question, though, and I'm glad to see your answer.

Sounds like you have the best interests of your children and the situation fairly well in hand Katt I say do whatever you have to and nail the bastard. He is using the system to avoid taking care of his kids for that alone he deserves to rot in a jail cell. Even if you never get a dime at least you will have taken the slime off the streets. And and yes I truly and strongly believe that a dad who makes 7K a month and does not support his kids is a big eough low life scum to deserve to rot in jail.

Because, then, ya know... he can continue to not pay, and, instead, *I* get to pay for his food and lodging for the next 10 years.