Cindy Sheehan lies and deception!
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Juro Kothari
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08-06-2006 15:12
From: Garoad Kuroda Tell you what--just since I know you're pretty reasonable, I'll go ahead and think about the whole thing some more. I doubt I'll be changing my view 180 degrees, but maybe there's room for a little more tolerance than I'm currently willing to give. Fair enough - but I think it helps to take into account that these (and I talk of those on BOTH sides) who have lost a child in war. I can only imagine that losing a child ignites a fire of passion in any parent to spread the word - regardless of how they died.
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Circe Timtam
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08-06-2006 15:19
From: Garoad Kuroda She, or people she is spending time with, is using the death of her son to buy media coverage and promote a certain political view. No, she shouldn't be thrown in jail--stop trying to attribute false opinions to me--she's free to exploit her son's death if she wants to. I don't see Pat Tillman's family out there in counter protests. She and her son are being exploited by the radical anti-war left to promote their agenda. That's what more there is to it. I guess i am really wondering how she is exploiting her son's death, and how she is using his death to buy media coverage? i don't see her making a crapload of cash off of this, if anything she has given up her life to protest this war...because she lost her child. what draws the media coverage is her dedication to her cause. doesn't seem like this is an easy task for her or a vacation in any way. i don't see her protesting from the bahamas...do you?
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Kendra Bancroft
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08-06-2006 15:19
From: Garoad Kuroda I guess "his opinion" wasn't very strong then. After all you don't go out to KILL PEOPLE for something you are strongly against huh.
So he enlisted during a war he opposed, knowing he'd be sent there to kill for something he did not believe in, so he could help his friends in the military? Mhmm... nah, I don't buy it. Then you obviously don't know anyone serving in Iraq right now.
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Billybob Goodliffe
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08-06-2006 15:26
when people enlist they are fully aware that, THEY MIGHT GET DEPLOYED!! SHit happens, she just can't accept it. You know whats ironic, her son could have said no, its called conscientious objector, but he didn't did he? He chose to go, and she can't deal with that. I give her about as much attention as the WBC.
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08-06-2006 15:53
From: Juro Kothari Are you this angry with M.A.D.D as well? Yes.
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Michael Seraph
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08-06-2006 16:18
From: Garoad Kuroda Even if that were true, she's still exploiting her son's death to promote her own political views. Many people would consider something like that morally questionable as well. You can always tell when the wing-nuts know they're wrong, they get shriller and shriller. She is not exploiting her son's death. People who campaign for breast cancer research after being diagnosed or mothers who campaign against drunk driving after they lose a child in an accident are not exploiting anything. The only reason you say Ms. Sheehan is, is because you don't like what she's saying. So you attack her instead. She is campaigning to keep other mothers from losing their sons. If you think she's wrong, stick to the argument and quit attacking her. So, go on, defend the completely idiotic situation this administration has created in Iraq. Trying to paint its opponents as somehow immoral is a sign that you can't defend the war so you attack its opponents.
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Michael Seraph
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08-06-2006 16:26
From: Garoad Kuroda Do you really think she's the only mother that disagrees with or disbelieves the motivations for the Iraq war? Where are the other mothers of the fallen soliders? Are they all out protesting outside of Bush's ranch too?
No, I think they understand that to do what she does would be political exploitation of the death of their children. (Children who likely, would disagree with protests like this.)
And of course, most other mothers are normal, while this woman must have something mentally wrong with her. I feel bad for her actually, because apparently she somehow actually thinks that her son would be proud... What a load of crap. You "think they understand..."? How could you possibly know this? I think you are grasping at straws. Again, you attack the woman. Now she's mentally ill for protesting something that most Americans feel has gone horribly wrong. The viciousness of the wing-nuts' attacks on the woman are a sign of their fear. They fear she is right. They fear the rest of us will recognize it. So they attempt to paint her as immoral and mentally ill. They use her to distract from the real situation in Iraq, which is descending into an all-out civil war. But instead of dealing with that, the right wing fringe idiots crusade against Cindy Sheehan. Just effing amazing.
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Juro Kothari
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08-06-2006 17:31
From: Reitsuki Kojima Yes. You really need a spanking, don't you Reitsuki? 
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Tripod Dangle
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08-06-2006 17:48
She had to get the land due to FSZ (Free speech zones) now in effect. The mass media went to sleep on this issue a while ago. I guess cause they are "Fair and Balanced." lol http://choosewisely.blogspot.com/2004/08/free-speech-zones-despicable.html
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Reitsuki Kojima
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08-06-2006 18:13
From: Juro Kothari You really need a spanking, don't you Reitsuki?  Well, yes, but not for that My hatred of M.A.D.D. can be explained by reading this: http://www.duicenter.com/lectures/exception01.html
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Phedre Aquitaine
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08-06-2006 18:18
There's been plenty of pressure put on members of the military to reenlist if they're allowed to leave at all. If you haven't heard of "stop loss", then you need to do more looking into what military members go through these days.
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08-06-2006 20:48
From: Garoad Kuroda Okay, if this doesn't get the point across, I don't know what will-- even if she were a flag waving, pro-war, die hard pro-Bush supporter, her actions would still be unethical. So Celia Ramsey is unethical? The person you quoted ABC quoting seemed to wanted to discreminate against a potential retail purchaser based on politics...
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Fmeh Tagore
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08-06-2006 21:01
It took her 783 days for Sheehan to get a headstone put on her son's grave.
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Matt Newchurch
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08-06-2006 21:20
From: Matt Newchurch Rejected as lies, maybe. ARE they lies? Can I get a ruling on this already? It seems important to the overall discussion.
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Sally Rosebud
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08-06-2006 21:37
Oh good grief! Aren't there more important things to talk about in the world? Like people dying because they don't have food to eat, or they don't have medicine to cure them of diseases? Aren't there wars and military actions going on? And you want to bicker about THIS? 
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Rick Deckard
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08-06-2006 22:06
From: Sally Rosebud Oh good grief! Aren't there more important things to talk about in the world? Like people dying because they don't have food to eat, or they don't have medicine to cure them of diseases? Aren't there wars and military actions going on? And you want to bicker about THIS?  Conservatives don't care about any of this. It's all about their values, their neighborhoods, their money, their schools, their, their, their. The rest of the world can go to hell (liberal Americans included). Sex in the White House is a much bigger deal to them than black poverty, street crime, hunger in the Sudan, fighting in Rwanda, etc. If it does not threaten their values or possessions, they could not care less. It's really a personality disorder.
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Fmeh Tagore
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08-06-2006 23:05
From: Rick Deckard Conservatives don't care about any of this. It's all about their values, their neighborhoods, their money, their schools, their, their, their. The rest of the world can go to hell (liberal Americans included). Sex in the White House is a much bigger deal to them than black poverty, street crime, hunger in the Sudan, fighting in Rwanda, etc. If it does not threaten their values or possessions, they could not care less. It's really a personality disorder. Sad, isn't it. Although it's not the people who are truly conservative by dictionary definition, it's the necons that have taken over the republican party.
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Phedre Aquitaine
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08-06-2006 23:05
From: Rick Deckard Sex in the White House That's why they're so concerned. Good sex leaves stains.
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Finning Widget
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08-07-2006 06:42
From: Garoad Kuroda And I love the final line: hahaha. So a few freaks had a party on land they purchased through ethically questionable means. Why was the media there again?  Always fun to laugh at wing nuts exploiting the death of their children for political purposes... Ethically questionable? She brokered a deal through a third party specifically because it is unethical and immoral (if not outright illegal) to discriminate against people in business due to their political views, gender, sexual orientation, etcetera. but people do it ANYWAY. ZOMG the person who sold the land was forced in a completely ethical and legal fashion to fail to bring her stupid prejudices into a business deal! How terrible! Next thing we know, everyone will be brokering their land purchases through third parties, and then how will we keep the black people, Jews, Arabs, Hispanics, and homosexuals out of our good, white, God-fearing suburban neighborhoods? Our "Support the Troops" stickers are at risk! The Children, Oh God, Won't Someone Think of The Children!
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08-07-2006 06:43
From: Fmeh Tagore It took her 783 days for Sheehan to get a headstone put on her son's grave. It took more than 783 days for her to raise that child.
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Circe Timtam
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08-07-2006 06:49
Finnich, you are my hero.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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08-07-2006 06:53
From: Finning Widget It took more than 783 days for her to raise that child. Which doesn't change the basic point in the slightest.
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Finning Widget
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08-07-2006 07:01
From: Reitsuki Kojima Which doesn't change the basic point in the slightest. The basic point is what? It took her eighteen years to raise that child. It took Bush about five minutes of nosepicking and a refusal to look at the facts to decide to send her child to die, in a foreign land, in order to get revenge for an assassination attempt on his father. Those 783 days of being ridiculed in the media for having a conscience? 783 days of being the kind of patriot that made this country by refusing to drink the Tea? (That's "Drink the Kool-Aid", btw, old-school style.) 783 days of /living/ as a memorial to her dead son? Priceless.
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Billybob Goodliffe
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08-07-2006 07:03
From: Finning Widget The basic point is what? It took her eighteen years to raise that child. It took Bush about five minutes of nosepicking and a refusal to look at the facts to decide to send her child to die, in a foreign land, in order to get revenge for an assassination attempt on his father.
Those 783 days of being ridiculed in the media for having a conscience? 783 days of being the kind of patriot that made this country by refusing to drink the Tea? (That's "Drink the Kool-Aid", btw, old-school style.) 783 days of /living/ as a memorial to her dead son?
Priceless. she's using his death to further a political point, just like you are.
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Richie Waves
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08-07-2006 07:11
Would we have the same issue about all the children made smile standing behind Bush as he waxes lyrical about murdering innocent civilians in the name of world dom... peace, I do mean peace of course >.> I mean are they not being exploited for radical Pro war agendas?
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