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Cindy Sheehan lies and deception!

Garoad Kuroda
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08-06-2006 12:46
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CRAWFORD, Texas (Reuters) - Cindy Sheehan, who gained international attention a year ago for protesting the Iraqwar, returned to the town near President George W. Bush's ranch on Sunday to resume her protest. Talking to reporters, Sheehan defended the purchase of a 5-acre (2 hectare) plot of land for use as a protest location. The land was purchased by her supporters through a third party to keep secret her connection to it. "I just had a third party do it because I know that they wouldn't have sold property to me," Sheehan said. The previous owner of the property, Celia Ramsey, told ABC News, "We were duped, we were deceived, we had no idea" that Sheehan was behind the purchase. Crawford residents angry at her presence "just need to relax a little bit and learn to live with us," said Sheehan, whose soldier son, Casey, was killed in Iraq in 2004. Sheehan, who timed her visit to Crawford to coincide with Bush's 10-day vacation, said she would donate the land to the town when the war is over in hopes it will be used as a memorial peace park.


And I love the final line:

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Reporters and camera crews outnumbered protesters at the camp set up on the land, although organizers were hoping that more Sheehan supporters would arrive later.


hahaha.

So a few freaks had a party on land they purchased through ethically questionable means. Why was the media there again?



Always fun to laugh at wing nuts exploiting the death of their children for political purposes...
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Rick Deckard
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08-06-2006 12:55
I was under the impression that her child died for political purposes.
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Garoad Kuroda
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08-06-2006 12:59
From: Rick Deckard
I was under the impression that her child died for political purposes.


Even if that were true, she's still exploiting her son's death to promote her own political views. Many people would consider something like that morally questionable as well.
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Matt Newchurch
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08-06-2006 13:06
"Things are going badly for us politically! Let's trot out Cindy Sheehan some more and everybody will forget how terribly we are running this country into the ground!" --The Right Wing
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Sexy Partridge
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08-06-2006 13:07
From: Garoad Kuroda
Even if that were true, she's still exploiting her son's death to promote her own political views. Many people would consider something like that morally questionable as well.


I support her 100%. She is not exploiting her son's death. she doesn't agree with the war and feels her son died based on lies our admistration told. When a mother loses a child, I commend her that instead of falling into a hole of depression she can somehow turn it into possibly doing something to stop unwarranted deaths of other peoples sons and daughters.
Ordinal Malaprop
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08-06-2006 13:10
God forbid anyone engage in any political protest. I mean, how unethical is that?
Garoad Kuroda
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08-06-2006 13:15
From: Sexy Partridge
I support her 100%. She is not exploiting her son's death. she doesn't agree with the war and feels her son died based on lies our admistration told. When a mother loses a child, I commend her that instead of falling into a hole of depression she can somehow turn it into possibly doing something to stop unwarranted deaths of other peoples sons and daughters.


Do you really think she's the only mother that disagrees with or disbelieves the motivations for the Iraq war? Where are the other mothers of the fallen soliders? Are they all out protesting outside of Bush's ranch too?

No, I think they understand that to do what she does would be political exploitation of the death of their children. (Children who likely, would disagree with protests like this.)

And of course, most other mothers are normal, while this woman must have something mentally wrong with her. I feel bad for her actually, because apparently she somehow actually thinks that her son would be proud...
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08-06-2006 13:16
From: Garoad Kuroda
Even if that were true, she's still exploiting her son's death to promote her own political views. Many people would consider something like that morally questionable as well.
She's speaking out against the unjust death of her son. Her son died because of Bush's lies and deceptions. There's nothing more to it.
From: Ordinal Malaprop
God forbid anyone engage in any political protest. I mean, how unethical is that?
Right. She should be thrown in jail. Or perhaps she should leave the country (like Garoad advised someone in another thread to do).
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08-06-2006 13:21
From: Garoad Kuroda
No, I think they understand that to do what she does would be political exploitation of the death of their children. (Children who likely, would disagree with protests like this.)

If my children died for political reasons, hell yes I would make a political protest.

Politics is *real*, you know. It's not just this little game that people play so they can shout at the other team when there's nothing good on TV. It kills people.
Sexy Partridge
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08-06-2006 13:22
From: Garoad Kuroda
Do you really think she's the only mother that disagrees with or disbelieves the motivations for the Iraq war? Where are the other mothers of the fallen soliders? Are they all out protesting outside of Bush's ranch too?

No, I think they understand that to do what she does would be political exploitation of the death of their children. (Children who likely, would disagree with protests like this.)

And of course, most other mothers are normal, while this woman must have something mentally wrong with her. I feel bad for her actually, because apparently she somehow actually thinks that her son would be proud...


There have been other mothers that have supported her, she is not out there by herself.

If I had a child in this miserable war and I lost him or her. I would be camping out where ever Bush went. I would be doing everything possible. If I lived anywhere near Texas I would be there with Cindy now when ever I could.

I beleive more that her son would be disappointed if his mother just took his death as "oh well it's war" type of mentatlity. so apparetnly you think now I have mental issue too. Oh well not that first to think so. I would fight like HELL to do what I could to no other parent would ever have to feel the loss of a child, and I can TELLl you first hand that a lost of a child is the worst pain in the world and I wish that on no one, no matter what the cause. and this WAR is senseless and her son should not of died.
Matt Newchurch
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08-06-2006 13:28
From: Rick Deckard
She's speaking out against the unjust death of her son. Her son died because of Bush's lies and deceptions. There's nothing more to it.Right. She should be thrown in jail. Or perhaps she should leave the country (like Garoad advised someone in another thread to do).
You liberal pussy! She should be hung as a traitor to her nation and her President!! :p

STOP WHINING!!
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Garoad Kuroda
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08-06-2006 13:32
From: Rick Deckard
She's speaking out against the unjust death of her son. Her son died because of Bush's lies and deceptions. There's nothing more to it.Right. She should be thrown in jail. Or perhaps she should leave the country (like Garoad advised someone in another thread to do).


Wow, there just isn't any way to get this point across. Good thing this was just a troll post for fun anyway!

She, or people she is spending time with, is using the death of her son to buy media coverage and promote a certain political view. No, she shouldn't be thrown in jail--stop trying to attribute false opinions to me--she's free to exploit her son's death if she wants to. I don't see Pat Tillman's family out there in counter protests. She and her son are being exploited by the radical anti-war left to promote their agenda. That's what more there is to it.

What's wrong with giving that advice to someone who truly hates the country they live in, and who seemingly has expressed a desire to leave? Funny, I wasn't even the one who brought it up.
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Garoad Kuroda
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08-06-2006 13:36
From: Sexy Partridge
There have been other mothers that have supported her, she is not out there by herself.


Yet, it's only her name you ever see. Why is that? I don't believe in giving someone a free pass to do anything they want for an indefinite period of time because they experienced a loss. The anti-war left seems to be taking advantage of this "untouchability", is it not? And she's letting them do it.
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Matt Newchurch
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08-06-2006 13:36
From: Garoad Kuroda
Wow, there just isn't any way to get this point across. Good thing this was just a troll post for fun anyway!

She, or people she is spending time with, is using the death of her son to buy media coverage and promote a certain political view. No, she shouldn't be thrown in jail--stop trying to attribute false opinions to me--she's free to exploit her son's death if she wants to. I don't see Pat Tillman's family out there in counter protests. She and her son are being exploited by the radical anti-war left to promote their agenda. That's what more there is to it.

What's wrong with giving that advice to someone who truly hates the country they live in, and who seemingly has expressed a desire to leave? Funny, I wasn't even the one who brought it up.
What do YOU suggest she does to protest the war she obviously disagrees with? Everybody grieves differently. Her reaction was to try and use the tragic loss of her son to maybe try and do some good in the world. Why is this so horrible?

It's just funny how her moment has passed for everybody but Republicans, who need to keep bringing her back to the front to try and distract everybody from the horrible job they are doing by highlighting some liberal with a cause they don't agree with? Seriously, isn't Natalee Holloway still missing? Maybe Fox should run an update on that.
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08-06-2006 13:39
From: Garoad Kuroda
Yet, it's only her name you ever see. Why is that? I don't believe in giving someone a free pass to do anything they want for an indefinite period of time because they experienced a loss. The anti-war left seems to be taking advantage of this "untouchability", is it not? And she's letting them do it.



Doesn't seem to have silenced you any.

Brava to Cindy Sheehan. I've met her and she is truly inspirational.
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08-06-2006 13:51
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08-06-2006 13:52
From: Strife Onizuka



So why don't you do your job and get this admitted troll banned?

From: Garoad Kuroda
Wow, there just isn't any way to get this point across. Good thing this was just a troll post for fun anyway!
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08-06-2006 13:55
^^; you caught me
i deleted my post after giving it a second thought.

I've passed the thread to LR. No promises.


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08-06-2006 13:57
From: Strife Onizuka
^^; you caught me
i deleted my post after giving it a second thought.

I've passed the thread to LR. No promises.


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shall I edit my post then accordingly?
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08-06-2006 14:00
From: Kendra Bancroft
shall I edit my post then accordingly?


Nope. And strife, deleting your post is a no-no. Leave it and then deal with the issues at hand. Deleting posts leads to confusion in conversation.

<rolls up newspaper>

<whaps Strife lightly>

Bad Strife! No delete! Time travel creates paradox!

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Garoad Kuroda
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08-06-2006 14:01
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What do YOU suggest she does to protest the war she obviously disagrees with? Everybody grieves differently. Her reaction was to try and use the tragic loss of her son to maybe try and do some good in the world. Why is this so horrible?

It's just funny how her moment has passed for everybody but Republicans, who need to keep bringing her back to the front to try and distract everybody from the horrible job they are doing by highlighting some liberal with a cause they don't agree with? Seriously, isn't Natalee Holloway still missing? Maybe Fox should run an update on that.


Hmm, I'm not a Republican, not sure where that is coming from. And how is bringing up a story about a protester against the Iraq war distracting everybody from the Iraq war? That doesn't make any sense.

You know, I'm actually not so much annoyed by her opinion as I am by the fact that she's letting herself be used as a political tool. I would suggest that she stop allowing herself to be used as a tool to fight against something that her son believed in and RE-ENLISTED for. She's free to have her opinions, but she should exercise at least minimal restraint knowing that her son completely disagreed with her opinions. She's met with Hugo Chavez for crying out loud, what's next, a visit to Iran? There seems to be no limit to what this woman will do to get publicity and push a political view opposed to something that her son was willing to fight and die for.

I'd like to know if she ever stopped to consider whether her son would disagree with the position she's pushing. And if so, why doesn't she care?
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Garoad Kuroda
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08-06-2006 14:04
From: Kendra Bancroft
Doesn't seem to have silenced you any.

Brava to Cindy Sheehan. I've met her and she is truly inspirational.


Silenced me? What are you even talking about? And why am I not surprised.
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08-06-2006 14:07
From: Garoad Kuroda
Silenced me? What are you even talking about? And why am I not surprised.



You said the left uses to Cindy Sheehan's pain to silence opposition. I pointed out that it doesn't seem to have silenced you. Are you that thick?
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Garoad Kuroda
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08-06-2006 14:09
From: Kendra Bancroft
So why don't you do your job and get this admitted troll banned?


haha

So I used the word, so what? I throw that word around alot. And who's trying to silence who now? Here's the essence of why I posted:

From: someone
I'd like to know if she ever stopped to consider whether her son would disagree with the position she's pushing. And if so, why doesn't she care?
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WTF is C3PO supposed to be USEFUL for anyway, besides whining? Stupid piece of scrap metal would be more useful recycled as a toaster. But even that would suck, because who would want to listen to a whining wussy toaster? Is he gold plated? If that's the case he should just be melted down into gold ingots. Help the economy some, and stop being so damn useless you stupid bucket of bolts! R2 is 1,000 times more useful than your tin man ass, and he's shaped like a salt and pepper shaker FFS!
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08-06-2006 14:10
From: Garoad Kuroda
Hmm, I'm not a Republican, not sure where that is coming from. And how is bringing up a story about a protester against the Iraq war distracting everybody from the Iraq war? That doesn't make any sense.

You know, I'm actually not so much annoyed by her opinion as I am by the fact that she's letting herself be used as a political tool. I would suggest that she stop allowing herself to be used as a tool to fight against something that her son believed in and RE-ENLISTED for. She's free to have her opinions, but she should exercise at least minimal restraint knowing that her son completely disagreed with her opinions. She's met with Hugo Chavez for crying out loud, what's next, a visit to Iran? There seems to be no limit to what this woman will do to get publicity and push a political view opposed to something that her son was willing to fight and die for.

I'd like to know if she ever stopped to consider whether her son would disagree with the position she's pushing. And if so, why doesn't she care?
If there's one thing dead people hate, it's being anthropomorphized (You know, like furries)! If her son comes back and starts browbeating her for her direction in life, she's got bigger problems then her political views. She's probably not 'letting herself be used'. I don't doubt that she loves the attention she gets. That's the point! If you're trying to present a platform of something, you need exposure, and she's been brilliant at getting it. Sitting alone under a tree with a candle, gently weeping doesn't get a point across. She's already halfway won. It's just funny that the majority of people giving her the exposure are republicans and right-wing media. Honestly you guys, how IS the economy doing these days? Fix all the problems, hell, fix TWO of the problems, any two...the war, the economy, unemployment, whatever, then we'll sit down and have a nice chat about Cindy Freakin' Sheehan.

And I'm sorry for accusing you of being Republican. That's...pretty low of me, and I apologize. I wouldn't wish that on a dog. As pennance I won't read Salon when I get in to work tomorrow.
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