All your womb are belong to us

What, like these children?
http://www.violence.de/prescott/hustler/article.html

WARNING VERY GRAPHIC PHOTOS OF ABUSED CHILDREN. I KNOW - I'VE SEEN THEM - I ONLY WISH I COULD UNSEE THEM.

Yes, it is an old article - but stuff like this still happens to this day. What about children like them? There are people who try to help them - but their funding keeps getting cut...

I'm not, I was pointing out the fact pro-lifers don't see a fetus s potential life, we see it as life. I wanted to clarify that, because you were trying to provide the argument from both sides. I thought you would like to know what we really think rather than what you said we think.

Just trying to be helpful.

That's why potential was in parenthesis. Or did you ignore that?

What do you prefer then? Let's be clear. Do you prefer children be killed to avoid the slim possibility they will suffer?

Surely you aren't suggesting all foster children end up like this.

I saw that. I think if you are trying to fairly state the opposition's position, you should state what is believed, rather than adding your own words, even in parenthesis. But that's me. That's why I said it to you.

you are a ,,,,,,, tool and are a troll
You've changed directions dozens of times
You do not promote discussion while being so obtuse and contrary

Well you don't seem to be helping any children in this thread.

And yes, I am forcing him to read this thread!

*muah*

I was trying to keep it withing the confines of what we agree on (i.e. statement #1)

No I am not suggesting that - most of those kids were severely abused by their own parents. As you see, there is a gray area. You are suggesting that people who are pro-choice are all for "killing babies" which is absolutely and completely false - not to mention a disgusting way to spin the pro-choice platform. As I have said before, pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion. But you keep saying that, I'm sure you think we'll all change our minds...

No, I am not suggesting all foster children end up like that. Most of those kids were abused by their own parent(s). Unfortunately, most funding for programs designed to help underprivileged children and their parents is being slashed. The bureaucracy doesn't help, either.

What I am saying - again - is it appears that most "pro-lifers" do not seem to care about any children (other than their own) once they are out of the womb.

I only posted the statement I felt was incorrect, due to your additional word. I explained why I felt it was not our position.

I like that you tried to bring together the thread. But since I seem to be the only one on this side of the debate, it seemed fitting I clarify the position of my side. Thanks for asking me to clarify what I meant.

How do you back up this statement? What statistics do you have that verifies pro-lifers do not seem to care about any children (other than their own) once they are out of the womb?

Note, I did say "seem." You like to argue semantics. I am stating an opinion. Where's your proof that pro-choicers like killing babies?

How does it seem that way? Are you listening to some news or statistics I am nor privy to?

There must be something that makes it "seem" that way. Do you have any evidence that would lead you to believe such a thing about a group of people?

With pro-abortionists, I say they support the ending of a life, not that they are killers.

Well, in Kevn's opinion, all us pro-choicers who believe that a woman should have the right to choose what happens with her own body, also believe that killing babies is the new cool thing to do.

Please kindly tell us who on this thread is pro-abortion?

All who say they support the right of a woman to choose to end her child's life before birth, at any stage after conception.

Well, in your black and white world, that would be me, huh? And possibly several other people on this thread.

But I see nowhere on this thread, where people have stood up and said that abortion is a good thing. Have you?

Oh really?


Our government is run by some people who want to end abortion and/or have Roe v. Wade overturned. The same people running the government are cutting funding to agencies who aid the poor. That is how I reach that conclusion.

If people are going to cut funding to the very people who need it (education, health benefits, food programs, etc.) - they might as well be doing post-term abortions.

I do not advocate using abortion as birth control. But it is not up to me to foist my beliefs on anyone else, nor to make a decision as difficult as abortion for someone else, nor to judge them for making such a difficult choice.

Again, this is just my own opinion. Just like it is your own opinion that pro-choicers want to kill unborn babies.

One need not be happy every time a child is killed to a be a pro-abortionists. Supporting the death penalty makes one pro-death penalty, even though one doesn't cheer the death of anyone.

Just as one need not stand in front of a clinic with a sign, or shoot doctors to be pro-life.

Once more, this time with feeling.


FALSE DILEMMA

But being PRO-something means you are FOR that something. Otherwise why put the PRO in front?

And yes, those pro-lifers who take the lives of others just so some women can't have an abortion, or even a routine check up, since many of the clinics that provide abortions also provide other women's healthcare, really are pro-life... hmm...

You keep missing the whole point. Nobody that has responded to this thread wants anybody to have an abortion. We'd ALL like that number to drop. Proper education is what is needed, plus counselling of anybody considering one. But (here comes the good part) there should not be any laws dictating what a woman's choice should be. Most doctors won't perform these late term abortions you seem so keen on talking about. If you have some figures from a reliable source we'd all like to see them.

Otherwise, kindly get off your soapbox and calling us all baby killers.

Hehe, sorry Reitsuki! I'm pretty much finished talking to the potato.

The problem I see here is you are assuming the wrong motive.

With conservatives, you support what you want MORE of. Do we want more poverty?

Has more government funding ever made poor people less poor.

Look at history and you'll see, the cutting of funding for the poor started under Clinton. He gave them 2 years, and that was it.

This is the Clinton ideals in place, that's why he isn't complaining.


Secondly, you are stereotyping everyone who claims to support saving children. Placing all in a bucket that says "these people don't help the poor.

Conservatives are more generous to charities. That's the way it turns out.

The quote made my point. They support these deaths. Not that they kill.

shooting doctors = pro-life? Since when?

You apparently have not seen many scenes of people who are outside prisons when someone is executed - there are a few types - anti-death penalty, pro-death penalty and the people who cheer... it happens. I remember seeing the scene outside Timothy McVeigh's execution - people were cheering like their favorite team just won the Superbowl.