Then a newborn has no right to life, because it can't survive on its own.
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Lucifer Baphomet
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02-24-2006 12:19
Read his post properly, then respond. _____________________
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Lucifer Baphomet
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02-24-2006 12:21
As soon as there is at least a 0.01% chance it can survive on it's own with even *extreme* medical intervention, then I'll accept that it's human. you were clear enough in the first place, he's being intentionaly obtuse. _____________________
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Kevn Klein
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02-24-2006 12:26
It can survive without the mother, however, which is perhaps how I should have phrased it. It is no longer a symbiot. Let me get this straight. A life is only a life if it can live on it's own, even though it's alive. But we have a caveat that says if it can live with human assistance, not including their mother, they can be considered living. Very interesting opinion as to what constitutes a living being. |
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Joy Honey
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02-24-2006 12:28
Let me get this straight. A life is only a life if it can live on it's own, even though it's alive. But we have a caveat that says if it can live with human assistance, not including their mother, they can be considered living. Very interesting opinion as to what constitutes a living being. And you have a very interesting opinion as to what constitutes an adoptable human being.... _____________________
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Kevn Klein
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02-24-2006 12:31
And you have a very interesting opinion as to what constitutes an adoptable human being.... Any age is adoptable, but only baby adoption is important to the abortion debate, because pro-abortion people keep saying "who will adopt the babies, they must be killed." |
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Reitsuki Kojima
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02-24-2006 12:31
Let me get this straight. A life is only a life if it can live on it's own, even though it's alive. But we have a caveat that says if it can live with human assistance, not including their mother, they can be considered living. Very interesting opinion as to what constitutes a living being. I didn't say a *life*. I said a *human*. _____________________
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Kendra Bancroft
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02-24-2006 12:31
Let me get this straight. A life is only a life if it can live on it's own, even though it's alive. But we have a caveat that says if it can live with human assistance, not including their mother, they can be considered living. Very interesting opinion as to what constitutes a living being. I hate coy people. _____________________
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Reitsuki Kojima
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02-24-2006 12:32
Any age is adoptable, but only baby adoption is important to the abortion debate, because pro-abortion people keep saying "who will adopt the babies, they must be killed." No, they don't. _____________________
I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Kevn Klein
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02-24-2006 12:32
I didn't say a *life*. I said a *human*. Ok, substitute " human life" where I said "life". |
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Joy Honey
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02-24-2006 12:33
Any age is adoptable, but only baby adoption is important to the abortion debate, because pro-abortion people keep saying "who will adopt the babies, they must be killed." No they are not. You are the only person I've ever seen make such a disgusting statement. What they are saying is that people who are so vociferously against abortion for ANY REASON do not seem to care what happens to any unwanted, unplanned, etc. children after the baby is out of the womb. _____________________
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Kevn Klein
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02-24-2006 12:34
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Kendra Bancroft
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02-24-2006 12:37
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Kevn Klein
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02-24-2006 12:37
No they are not. You are the only person I've ever seen make such a disgusting statement. What they are saying is that people who are so vociferously against abortion for ANY REASON do not seem to care what happens to any unwanted, unplanned, etc. children after the baby is out of the womb. Ah, then you should say "before defending innocent life, go out and save the homeless and give them a place to stay." Or "you don't care about babies because you don't visit the elderly". |
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Reitsuki Kojima
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02-24-2006 12:42
Ok, substitute " human life" where I said "life". Then it becomes a whole different equation. Let me get this straight. A life is only a human if it can live on it's own, even though it's alive. But we have a caveat that says if it can live with human assistance, not including their mother, they can be considered human. By George, I think 'e's got it! A spider is a life, but I'll step on it in a heart beat. A deer is a life, but there is nothing finer to eat. For that matter, a plant is life, but I'll weed my garden (if I had one...) Hell, when you get right down to it, the germs you kill with an antibiotic are life. But none of them are HUMAN lives. _____________________
I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Joy Honey
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02-24-2006 12:51
Ah, then you should say "before defending innocent life, go out and save the homeless and give them a place to stay." Or "you don't care about babies because you don't visit the elderly". No, you should really stop being so obtuse. All kinds of social programs are being cut that could help children who are born into poverty or are born with medical problems. THAT is what I am saying. There are many, many children who are in bad situations because no one will adopt them. They get stuck (and lost) in poorly-managed and poorly-funded state programs that are supposed to help children. _____________________
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Sally Rosebud
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02-24-2006 12:51
OMG save the germs! They've got DNA!
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Kevn Klein
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02-24-2006 16:38
No, you should really stop being so obtuse. All kinds of social programs are being cut that could help children who are born into poverty or are born with medical problems. THAT is what I am saying. There are many, many children who are in bad situations because no one will adopt them. They get stuck (and lost) in poorly-managed and poorly-funded state programs that are supposed to help children. How exactly does that tie into the abortion debate? Are you saying you want more abortions so little kids don't get lost in foster care? Is it your point abortion is somehow better for kids than being a foster child? Please clarify. |
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Zuzu Fassbinder
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02-24-2006 16:42
1. A fetus is a life form of some sort. Beyond that it becomes a matter of interpretation that varies wildly from person to person.
Argument: a fetus is a (potential) human life and must be protected on an equal footing with other human's lives. Actually, no one I know of from the pro-life side has suggested a fetus is a potential life. If the fetus is alive and is a human fetus then it's clearly not just a potential human life. Which part of my post do you not understand, because it sounds like you are arguing that a fetus can never be a human. _____________________
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Kevn Klein
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02-24-2006 16:45
Then it becomes a whole different equation. By George, I think 'e's got it! A spider is a life, but I'll step on it in a heart beat. A deer is a life, but there is nothing finer to eat. For that matter, a plant is life, but I'll weed my garden (if I had one...) Hell, when you get right down to it, the germs you kill with an antibiotic are life. But none of them are HUMAN lives. But the human fetus is a human no matter what you do to it. Notice we call it human fetus. A tot is no less human than an adult because she isn't able to care for herself. A fetus is a stage of human development, just like being a toddler, a teenager or a senior citizen. All stages of human development equals human life. Of course I understand you believe a zygote isn't a human. But I think you said a fetus able to live outside the womb is a human, so even you are not supporting the absolute right of a woman to control her body. |
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Kevn Klein
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02-24-2006 16:46
1. A fetus is a life form of some sort. Beyond that it becomes a matter of interpretation that varies wildly from person to person. Argument: a fetus is a (potential) human life and must be protected on an equal footing with other human's lives. Which part of my post do you not understand, because it sounds like you are arguing that a fetus can never be a human. No, I said a fetus isn't a potential life, it IS life. |
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Lecktor Hannibal
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02-24-2006 16:47
Why is this thread so fucking long?
Why hasn't a self important resmod nerfed it yet? Can you all not see that Kevn is trolling? _____________________
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Kiamat Dusk
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Back on track...
02-24-2006 16:49
It's time this conversation was yanked back onto its original course...Maple Syrup.
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Kevn Klein
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02-24-2006 16:51
Why is this thread so fucking long? Why hasn't a self important resmod nerfed it yet? Can you all not see that Kevn is trolling? A troll doesn't defend helpless children. A troll seeks to stop good people from defending children. That's my opinion. btw, is someone forcing you to read this thread? Just wondering. |
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Zuzu Fassbinder
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02-24-2006 16:57
No, I said a fetus isn't a potential life, it IS life. So did I.. why are you up in arms? _____________________
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Reitsuki Kojima
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02-24-2006 16:57
But the human fetus is a human no matter what you do to it. Notice we call it human fetus. A tot is no less human than an adult because she isn't able to care for herself. A fetus is a stage of human development, just like being a toddler, a teenager or a senior citizen. All stages of human development equals human life. Because it comes from (and in this case can become) human. Not because it *is* human. We call our hair "human hair", to indicate that its not, say... dog hair. That doesn't mean the hair IS human. Of course I understand you believe a zygote isn't a human. But I think you said a fetus able to live outside the womb is a human, so even you are not supporting the absolute right of a woman to control her body. I never said I was, so I don't know why you keep harping on that point. _____________________
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