I don't understand this Gorean thing.

Lmao quote of the day.

The reason for these notecards is simple. Its so people like you, can get a full understanding of whats going on in the sim. But of course, you choose to not read the notecards, your witness to such events you 'THINK' are 'forced' leaves you with this assumption, therefore its invalid.

I take you you skimmed my post. Or had your mind made up and only focused on one or two points. Please show me where it is I said that I thought the notecard was silly or wrong.

I specifically said I read the notcards.. even quoted a rule from one. How is this not reading them? I put on the visitor tag which IN THE RULES say I will not be subjected to their RP. I wander around, not saying a word, admiring the build.

Therefore YOUR your THOUGHTS are invalid.

Look, I can invalidate your opinions with actually reading your post. And also be as rude as you are.

Also, if you read my post nothing was mentioned about the actual events by people who are RPing. So, again jumping to conclusions. Not a very good idea. It was the events directed towards people who are specifically not RPing that I was speaking about with the word forced.

So if I made a sim based on Egypt for RPing. Made some rules. Made a visitor title but randomly caged some people and made them build me a pyramid. Would that be ok?

While I think the notion is sexist, still whatever floats your boat. As long as it is not forced on me. I know what I'm going to see when I go there, I choose to anyways. If it is consensual fine, if not BAD. Just if you give a visitor title, honour the fact that people do not wish to be apart of it.

Ok honestly you DONT want to get me started.
Many have said I have a narrow view of things and that how I percieve gor is wrong? Goreans, to put it bluntly are BOYS with no self. You corner them they run like the little animals they treat their girls like. Women are NOT animals, women have the same rights as men. Those who disagree with me can kiss my rear. I walked into a gor sim, wearing very very little, and this BOY walks up to me and tells me hes gonna collar me cause he knows I WANT to be a slave for him. WTH, who in their right mind walks up to a girl and says ok girl you are now my slave. like OMG what balls. Now, keep in mind gorean males have no balls, they ban, and run from you when you confront them about an issue.

These people have serious issues, and yes I understand my view is narrow. But when your RL has been affected by gor and you almost loose your RL partner from it...heh hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

Would be interested in knowing the whole story here, as that seems a lot more relavent to how you feel than whatever happened to you in-game. You have fury, OK. But at whom, rather than at what?

Im sorry, but the details on that are private, you want to know? Im in game now.

I'm at work now

Maybe I'll catch up with you later

I also have visited Gor to check out the architecture. I'd imagine that anyone experiencing harassment there has unfortunately run into people that aren't taking the rules of their role-playing seriously. I would think that reporting the names and activities in question to the sim owner would result in disiplinary action.

My experiences there have been very respectful. I wore the visitor tag, and while I was asked to wear an "adult av" (my av is 5'1", my RL height), they understood when I told them I wasn't roleplaying a child, I'm just....stunted Every resident I met there was well spoken and respectful, and if they want to role play dominant or submissive positions, then that's entirely their business.

I abide by the rules that Gor supplies, just like I would abide by the rules of anyone's house when I'm a guest there. I would expect the residents of Gor to do the same.

I was bopping about last night from place to place and ended up in a sim called Wind (I think that is correct). It's apparently populated by the Panther Tribe, a violent tribe of Gorean, free women (anyone feel free to correct this, but this is how I read the notecard warning me not to step out of the safe zone unless I wanted to be hunted down and collared ). Place was spooky and empty. I felt like Wile E Coyote and as soon as I stepped off that platform the Panthers would swoop in and cage me.

Anywho, rules were very clear and asked that if you did not want to abide by the RP for the sim that you please leave. If it's not your thing, don't hang there. Pretty simple.

I had land next to a Gorean female. She was working hard on making her land into what I assumed was a Gorean style. It was actually quite nice.

What struck me as weird though was that she insisted on referring to me as Master and roleplaying the whole thing.

I didn't want to be rude, but dominating another person, especially a woman makes me uncomfortable. That's just my thing. I asked her to stop and she replied with "Yes, Master".

Eventually after a conversation it got through that I wasn't part of her roleplay. We just happened to be neighbors. She was an excellent neighbor to have.

I'm pretty much the same way. I'm neither dominant or submissive. Not really my thing, but it has never bothered me when women in my store call me sir or master. Each to their own. I'm just me and if that by itself isn't an imposition on the RP of others I feel no compulsion to protest. I'd rather just have people do or be what makes them happy as long as they don't mind me doing the same. I think that the often surreal mix of cultures and RL with RP is one of my favorite things about SL. I try not to poke holes in anyone else's bubble.

Chip seems to have a level head about this...I RP in a Gorean sim and i can tell you that Goreans seem to have better organizational skills than 70% of SL (the other 30% being Gorean...j/k j/k)..really well organized lands with a lot of rich detail and planned layouts...when i first stumbled into this i was confused and tried my hardest to understand and take it seriously to a T...and now as I am starting to find out...it is a wide network of friends...and they are extremely accepting OOC (out of character)...they honestly try to RP within what your taste is...like the rest of SL...if you dont like it or it makes you uncomfortable...dont do it...nobody is ever forced to RP something they dont want to RP...most just enjoy the game...

there are many nice people in SL and surprise!!ome of them are Goreans...me included...and I am happy to make this my first post...

I very much agree. Unless someone is being obviously and purposefully obnoxious, I'm all for them being whatever they want to be.

A slave has the desire to put themselves last and devotes themselves to serving and they want to be adored. ITs not all about sex,leather whips and chains. In the Port Cos sim RP
one is born into slavery its not a choice. Well any ways come observe Port COs some time.

Tal Brothers, and Free people

Well certainly this has been a bit of a bee's nest we have kicked up here. I have certainly seen a lot of posts, and comments (be them good bad or trollish). Some thoughts from the Male's point of view.

As a Gorean male, you can be born or placed in to servitude. Many references to this exist in the books (defeated worriers, shamed or dishonest men), and we do see it in RP. However it is a basic tenant of Gorean life that the male is more able to through his nature to dominate, and ACCEPT his responsibility. That being protecting the free, his homestone (city). his property and his honor. We do this by respect, guidance, and more importantly our actions.

Gorean society has many duality’s built into it, a slave girl is bound by her master and Free people to do as they wish, yet she is able to openly flirt, be bounce and giggles, and even at times rebellious. A Free Woman on the other hand enjoys the freedom of free will, and determination, as long as she puts aside her nature to be filrty, giggle and rebellious. She must at all times display to others her restraint, and good graces. Free men enjoy the most freedom with in our society, yet they also shoulder the largest burden, we must protect all of the free peoples of our homestone, we must show respect to others, and we must also control our property. But it should also be pointed out that not all Gorean men have slaves, some take and accept Free woman as "Free companions", this is neither a slave or master relationship.

As a Free person we do not strife to beat, abuse or deject our slaves. Certainly if they misbehave or are unruly we discipline them in a manner that best punishes them (Often telling a slave that they have been displeasing, and telling them to leave for a period of time is enough), and I would offer that individuals speaking of such violence against slaves is truly not role playing in a Gorean manner, and should be directed elsewhere for his enjoyment.

(Boy this was longer than I intended...almost done here).....As for sex, many of the people I have met in my encounters feel as I do. If you are looking at Gorean life just so you can snap a collar around someone and have your way with them, then move on. Sex is neither the goal or the starting point of our views. It does how ever fit into the concepts of pleasure, and desire. Some people may consider that all they desire is sex, and all they derive from life is sex. However a well crafted conversation, an artful serving, a long battle and jokes can also be pleasing, and desirable.

I’d like to close by saying, as with all things in life answers more often than not pose new questions. But this in essence is my view on things.

By my Hand
Radasham Drake

Wind and Steel

On the other hand, given the philosophy behind Gor, I do find those who go for the full-tilt "this isn't just a roleplay, it's my lifestyle!" road to be obnoxious. But I also feel if they aren't hurting another unnecessarily or asking me to play along, one should be allowed to do as one wishes.

I mean, yes, I've been known to set the occasional Gorean who attends a Primtionary on fire, but anyone who's been knows I set everybody on fire, throw prims, and generally lightly abuse the audience with cartoon physics.

I dont need to understand all in life.. But I will stay curios... Cross my fingers I will...

There are many diff parts of/in SL... we all can have a place.. and what we like.. (I hope)...

I don't mind Goreans, Ok Al Gore was a drip, but a nicer guy than Bush.


What?
Al Gore isn't associated with Gorean culture, its just coincidental their names sound alike?

OK

Disregard this post

ROFL, Ghostbusters!

Every club, Every SIM we see "Master" "Pet" "Submissives" "Slaves" "Silks". It's like this game was built on BDSM and its getting pretty lame to see this everywhere. Slavery was and is a horrible thing of the past and should never be a joke.

Hrm, I thought women wanted equality. Not to be treated as a sub-human dog. I am not a woman, but I would think most would be outraged by this sexist behavior.

There's one great advantage about Gorean land that nobody has yet mentioned.

There are no Bush signs on them.

I've started reading some of the Gor books, not because I want to become Gorean, but simply to try and understand what it's all about.

I think most people's objections seem to stem from the basic fact that it's not "PC" by todays standards.

That doesn't make it wrong, however.

Frankly, whatever people consentually choose to do on their own land is up to them. It only becomes a problem when they do it on my land, and I don't want it to. Then I simply boot and ban them, problem solved.

I wish you well,

Lewis

Mine is more the whole, you know, enouraging the slavery of women and all that.

Well put!

-Kiamat Dusk

Actually, Gorean lifestylers practice M/s (Mastery and slavery) which, while related, is still distinct from D/s-a fact that is becoming more and more clear as my relationship with my frist RL submissive grows. (Historically, I've owned slaves.)

-Kiamat Dusk

Be careful. One of my best friends in sl started reading them just for fun, then he was hanging out there more and more, and now he's there 24/7 and i've long since cancelled cards with him since he was turning into a real jerk. It's like he was corrupted or something.

It sucked.