Luke Skywalker Killed 1M People
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Kendra Bancroft
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11-19-2005 14:29
From: Satchmo Prototype I hate this analogy. Darth Vader is a hero who saves the Galaxy. Most people think Luke saved the galaxy, and Vader was a bad man, but it turns out not to be true.
Study the whole body of work! This is like reading 2 chapters of a book and coming to conclusions about the main characters. The world of Star Wars is far more complex than a battle between good and evil where the lines are clearly drawn.
Now if you think Bush will mature in his older age and take on the right, then maybe your on to something. Dunno about that --but I do know that Joe Leiberman is Jar-Jar Binks. |
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Torley Linden
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11-19-2005 14:40
From: kornation Bommerang 'The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic.'
joseph stalin That is especially true in the case of the Yuuzhan Vong.  |
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kornation Bommerang
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11-19-2005 20:33
if bush is darth vader and and that other guy is jar jar, etc, does that make me 'irrevelent passerby in background of scene 47, act 2'?
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Michael Seraph
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11-20-2005 04:46
From: Eggy Lippmann You have no right to judge the actions of people who lived a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away according to your country's laws and morals. Sure we do. We are far more superior than anyone who lived in a galaxy far far away. If they were so superior they'd have lived in Amsterdam, or Vancouver, or on the beach in Maui. Not in some dank, old galaxy well out of commuter range to a decent coffee shop. Damned barbarians. They deserve each other. |
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Michael Seraph
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11-20-2005 04:51
From: kornation Bommerang if bush is darth vader and and that other guy is jar jar, etc, does that make me 'irrevelent passerby in background of scene 47, act 2'? Cheney is Darth Vader. Bush's only scenes were edited out, as even naive children wouldn't have believed he was Vader's boss. |
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Teeny Leviathan
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11-20-2005 05:54
Nah, you are all wrong. Rove is the Emperor, Bush is Vader, and Cheney is Dooku. Cheney is Dooku because when the truth about Haliburton's no-bid contracts is revealed, heads will roll.  |
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Memir Quinn
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Millions and billions dead? Imperial hoax! Today, on Rebel Fresh Air Radio!
11-20-2005 06:09
Wait a tick...
...sorry, I thought all those poor lads on the death star thing were supposed to be clones of the father of that bounty hunter fellow genetically manipulated to... what was that line in the first film? Make them more susceptible? Controlled? Something?
So as they are all one person, and its a person whom has been lobotomized lacking the free will to make their own choice and simply and blindly following orders...
...does that even qualify as anything more than a biological robot? Certainly not a patriot and in that case doesn't the whole premiss fall apart?
Rebels actually only killed one crippled copy of a person whom died sixty years before hand?
(Hee. See? Future (or is it the past?) needs more spin-doctors!)
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WynterWolfe Sieyes
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11-20-2005 07:10
From: Mulch Ennui you know, the 1 million + imperials were pretty bad, but what has been well hidden and even more shocking is the Endor Holocaust What happens when you detonate a spherical metal honeycomb over five hundred miles wide just above the atmosphere of a habitable world? Regardless of specifics, the world won't remain habitable for long. RIP Wicket  The animated series Ewoks and the TV movie Return to Endor must have been sly propoganda meant to trick us into thinking everything was A-OK The rebels AND the imperials are scum in my book... it was only ewoks, not like it was a collie or something.
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Kendra Bancroft
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11-20-2005 07:20
You are all in the wrong movie.
Cheney is Saruman
Rove is Sauron
Bush is Denethor
John Conyers is Frodo
Cindy Sheehan is Eowyn
Rush Limbaugh is Wormtongue
John Kerry is Aragorn
Al Gore is Gandalf
The American People are Ents.
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Ghoti Nyak
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11-20-2005 11:21
Good and evil really are relative concepts. The loss of all that life is regretable, but unavoidable. Know that even with the loss of all that life, the end result was that the Force was brought back into balance. In the end, that is all that matters.
-Ghoti
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Dianne Mechanique
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11-20-2005 11:28
From: Kendra Bancroft You are all in the wrong movie.
Cheney is Saruman
Rove is Sauron
Bush is Denethor
John Conyers is Frodo
Cindy Sheehan is Eowyn
Rush Limbaugh is Wormtongue
John Kerry is Aragorn Agreed. From: Kendra Bancroft Al Gore is Gandalf
The American People are Ents. disagree. Gandalf was tres smart and tricky as well. The Ents never act rashly, support the environment, and act with great honour at all times. |
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Sansarya Caligari
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11-20-2005 11:40
From: Ghoti Nyak Good and evil really are relative concepts. The loss of all that life is regretable, but unavoidable. Know that even with the loss of all that life, the end result was that the Force was brought back into balance. In the end, that is all that matters.
-Ghoti Peace, Man |
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Kendra Bancroft
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11-20-2005 11:42
From: Dianne Mechanique Agreed.
disagree.
Gandalf was tres smart and tricky as well.
The Ents never act rashly, support the environment, and act with great honour at all times. Al Gore was (like Gandalf) destroyed and came back as a different more serious spokesman. The American people (like Ents) are beginning to wake up after a long slumber. |
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Torley Linden
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11-20-2005 12:18
From: Ghoti Nyak Good and evil really are relative concepts. The loss of all that life is regretable, but unavoidable. Know that even with the loss of all that life, the end result was that the Force was brought back into balance. In the end, that is all that matters.
-Ghoti How about the Yuuzhan Vong then, who don't believe in the Force? |
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Ghoti Nyak
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11-20-2005 12:32
Yeah, the Vong are problematic.
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Lianne Marten
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11-20-2005 12:33
From: Torley Torgeson How about the Yuuzhan Vong then, who don't believe in the Force? Godless Commies. |
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Ghoti Nyak
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11-20-2005 12:51
From: Lianne Marten Godless Commies. Quite the opposite, really. They do what they do for the further glory of their gods. -Ghoti
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Lianne Marten
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11-20-2005 12:58
I'm talking about the metaphor between rl (now) and Star Wars...
Of course communists weren't "godless." Not all of them anyway. It was just a way of demonizing them.
The Yuuzhan Vong don't believe in The Force, so there you go.
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Ghoti Nyak
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11-20-2005 13:09
From: Lianne Marten The Yuuzhan Vong don't believe in The Force, so there you go. Not only do they not beleive in the Force, they are Force-void. To look at a Vong through the Force is to see nothing. They do not appear to be like every other living being in the known galaxy... that is to say, permeated with the Force. From the wiki: From: someone Notably, the Yuuzhan Vong are not able to touch the Force or be felt through it, something the Jedi have found very mysterious, since all living things are supposed to have, in some way or another, a unique Force energy signature distinct from other species. It is not a matter of belief. It is a matter of being something wholey seperate. -Ghoti
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Lianne Marten
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11-20-2005 13:12
Rule #351 of online forums: Don't argue about Star Wars
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Kathmandu Gilman
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11-20-2005 13:46
Uhhh guys, the actual Death Star casualties were likely very low. Construction of such secret massive projects would be carried out by 'droids. Since the massive death toll of the first station which was crewed primarily by veterens of the clone wars and 'droids, the second one would have to be built and crewed by droids until the Imperial ranks could be filled. If, on the other hand, it was being built by humans they would have to be absolutely loyal to the empire in order to keep the thing a secret and any contractor who works on a planet killer weapon for a clearly evil regime probably knows the risks and the galaxy would likely be better off without them.
Don't forget the casualties from the first Death Star's use were untold millions and their entire planet of innocent civilians killed simply as a show of force and a demonstration. It was too effective a terror weapon not to destroy it no matter the death toll on the station. Had the Empire not been so blind to simply destroying the rebels but instead used it to hold planets as hostage, destroying it anytime the rebels even moved, the rebelion would have instantly died. Civilans would have handed over anyone who even looked like a rebel to keep them from destroying the planet.
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Jake Reitveld
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11-21-2005 09:21
From: Ulrika Zugzwang Educate thyself! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_CartaOne of the most important clauses that would have the longest lasting effect was Article 39 according to which No free man shall be arrested, or imprisoned, or deprived of his property, or outlawed, or exiled, or in any way destroyed, nor shall we go against him or send against him, unless by legal judgement of his peers, or by the law of the land. This meant the King must judge individuals according to the law, and not according to his own will. Similarly, Article 40 stated: To no one will we sell, to no one will we refuse or delay, right or justice. This has been your official slap down for the week. ~Ulrika~ There is nothing in either of the quoted clauses that mandates those provision apply to non-citizens of the realm. There is nothing in either of your quotes that says enemy combatants are entitled to justice under english law. Such a concept was alien to the people of the period, and was , in fact alien under english law until after the 18th century. English law protected english subjects, and even then protected them when they were in England. Through out the medeival period, the englished regulary engaged in the practice of ransoming enemy combatants. These high nobles were kept in england (fed and manitained at capturer's expense and varrying levels of comfort), indefintely, without trial, until they died, or ransom was paid, or the kind returned them for political reasons. A perfect case in point is Charles Duc d'Orleans who as taken prisoner at Agincourt (one of the few prisoners not killed outright after the battle) in 1415 (two hundred years after the signing of the magna carta. He was held captive in england, without trial, for twenty five years. Furthermore by order of the kiing he was not even to be relased upon payment of ransom. It was only the efforts of the duke and duchess of Burgundy who got poor Charles released. As late as the seventeenth century, in england, is was thought that the protections of english law applied only in england-i.e., even an englishman living in say virginia or jamaica (then colonies) was not afforded the protection of english law, unless he came to england. The notion of non-citizens having equal protection under english law came much later. Which only underscores the emphasis between a criminal prisoner and a prisoner of war. If a prisoner of war had tried to assert a right to trial even as late as world war two he would have been laughed away. Even in the current day and age, the question of whether a prisoner of war can assert a right to trial is uncertain. Consider yourself slapped down for the week. Thank you for playing.
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11-21-2005 09:28
From: Ulrika Zugzwang How many people can one proton torpedo kill? According to the page below anywhere between one million (the standard Death Star compliment) and one billion people (the maximum Death Star compliment)! http://science.howstuffworks.com/death-star7.htm(Sorry. I'm bored today and I just discovered digg. I've been rummaging through all their great links. ) ~Ulrika~ Luke also tried to get it on with his sister...typical white trash galactic jedis. |
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Dianne Mechanique
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11-21-2005 10:07
From: Kendra Bancroft Al Gore was (like Gandalf) destroyed and came back as a different more serious spokesman.
The American people (like Ents) are beginning to wake up after a long slumber. haha you win |
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11-23-2005 16:48
Given 6 or 7 weeks, Vader would have choked them all to death anyways. Luke and co. liberated them from agonizing death by choking. From: Mulch Ennui I am your father Luke, give into the dark side you knob! Ahh! Get away, you evil hoser!
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