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Joy Honey
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12-14-2005 18:43
Now I am married and my outlook has changed. But some things are still the same, I never viewed it as anything other than a child, even when I aborted. Abortions because a child would inconvience you shouldn't be allowed. Try abstaining. Everyone knows birth control can and does fail, so why risk it? Because abortion is a right? *snort* Too bad hindsight's 20/20, huh? _____________________
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Juro Kothari
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12-14-2005 18:43
Ditto. I also notice that none of the pro-lifers have answered my question about how many unwanted children they've adopted or plan to adopt. Of course not. There are way too many kids in need of homes now and if abortion was made illegal, there would be many, many more growing up without homes. _____________________
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Juro Kothari
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12-14-2005 18:46
Your post made me think of something. How many men, if they had a big growth eating away at their their favorite appendage, would choose not to have it removed based on moral reasons? My guess would be zero.  I bet you're right. Let me tell you - as a male, I feel that the only people who should be decision makers on the legality of abortion are females. _____________________
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Creami Cannoli
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12-14-2005 18:47
Too bad hindsight's 20/20, huh? Yes, too bad it is. But live and learn And Juro, no I shouldn't have done it in the first place. |
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Damien Took
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12-14-2005 18:48
Dianne,
I don't understand why you are confused. I thought I was very clear about where I stand. I am pro-choice; I just think people need to be a little bit more responsible with that choice. And what I find frightening is the amount of people defending the death of a fetus because "it's my body" and "I don't want kids now" but not understanding that I don't want to give a murderer another chance to kill. What exactly is so hard to understand about that? People here are talking about the value of life. I cannot imagine why a child carries less value than a child killer. There is a man in Florida who raped and slaughtered 2 little girls. He confessed to it when caught. His life has more value than a child aborted because it doesn't fit into the parent's "big picture" right now? Am I on crazy pills or something? I keep hearing that I have no compassion because I would support removing killers from this world, but those who support killing their babies because of convenience issues or okay in your book. Maybe I'm not using the right words or something but I thought I was very clear. I support life, in all forms except when someone abuses it. If you murder then you are no longer human in my book; less than an animal/bug. And I have no value on things that are less than an animal/bug. |
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Damien Took
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12-14-2005 18:50
Of course not. There are way too many kids in need of homes now and if abortion was made illegal, there would be many, many more growing up without homes. Maybe we should make irresponsibility illegal. Problem solved. |
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Juro Kothari
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12-14-2005 18:50
Yes, too bad it is. But live and learn And Juro, no I shouldn't have done it in the first place. Well, Creami - you had the choice and made a decision that you now regret - which I'm sure many people do. However, after watching my baby sister face an unplanned pregnancy and anguishing over her decision, I strongly feel that women deserve the right to make a decision and not have the government make it for them. _____________________
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Joy Honey
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12-14-2005 18:52
Maybe we should make irresponsibility illegal. Problem solved. But, who would lead us then? I think all the people in DC would be going to jail pretty quickly - then chaos and disorder would rule and then something would happen to the space/time continuum... ack I'm making myself dizzy _____________________
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Juro Kothari
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12-14-2005 18:53
Maybe we should make irresponsibility illegal. Problem solved. I have a solution to this issue: I will support banning abortions if, and only if, males are forced to undergo a vasectomy operation when an unwanted pregnancy occurs. _____________________
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Damien Took
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12-14-2005 18:55
Joy,
LOL, I think we could use a shift change in DC, even if it did mess up the space/time continuum  |
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Damien Took
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12-14-2005 18:58
Juro,
I think you are misunderstanding me. I am pro-choice. A woman always has the choice over her life and her body and no government should ever control that. What I am talking about is personal responsibility. Just like what Creami talked about. If you make more responsible choices the abortions are less necessary. |
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Zuzu Fassbinder
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12-14-2005 19:02
Let me tell you - as a male, I feel that the only people who should be decision makers on the legality of abortion are females. I agree with this 100% _____________________
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Juro Kothari
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12-14-2005 19:04
Juro, I think you are misunderstanding me. I am pro-choice. A woman always has the choice over her life and her body and no government should ever control that. What I am talking about is personal responsibility. Just like what Creami talked about. If you make more responsible choices the abortions are less necessary. I agree, 100%. As in the case of my baby sister who was using both the pill and condoms, there is always the chance. She was being very responsible and still ended up pregnant. She had to make a choice and I'm glad that she had that opportunity. I think that better sex education, better access to birth control devices and better parental involvement can go a long way to reducing the number of unexpected/unwanted pregnancies - especially in young adults/teens. I think sheilding teens from these and relying on abstinence is foolish. _____________________
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Kevn Klein
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12-14-2005 19:07
Thanks for the full quoting of my remarks, but your analogy is a gross misrepresentation of what I said. I am not in favour of killing all fetuses "before they reach the air." I think it would be wonderful if the world could be set up so that not a single fetus was killed or aborted. Killing *anything* is regretable, but killing *something* every day of your life, is inevitable. One simply has to judge the pros and cons of one death over another. The worth of one life over another or one species/animal over another. We do it every day all day anyway, I am just saying that we should be honest and forthright about it. Call it what it is. Eat a steak, kill a cow. Save a baby, kill a mother. Save a baby, kill a mother. Save a human, kill a chimp. etc. etc. ad infinitum in a billion variations.... Eat a bunch of steaks, kill a cow. Yes. Save a baby, kill a mother? No, saving a baby never requires the death of a mother, never ever ever. Save a baby, kill a mother? Wrong again. Why must it be either the baby or the mother? Ever hear of a C-section? Save a human, kill a chimp? The logic of these statements aren't provided in your post. |
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Chance Abattoir
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12-14-2005 19:10
The logic of these statements aren't provided in your post. Most ironic statement ever. _____________________
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Susie Boffin
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12-14-2005 19:14
Eat a bunch of steaks, kill a cow. Yes. Save a baby, kill a mother? No, saving a baby never requires the death of a mother, never ever ever. Save a baby, kill a mother? Wrong again. Why must it be either the baby or the mother? Ever hear of a C-section? Save a human, kill a chimp? The logic of these statements aren't provided in your post. Just what the heck are you talking about, bud? I think you are in the wrong thread. Go get a C-section for fun somtime.  _____________________
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Damien Took
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12-14-2005 19:18
Juro,
You are so right. We could do so much more by educating people. Teens are going to have sex; there is no getting around that. And I wouldn't want to stop those things; they are a natural part of life. But they should understand the consequences and be prepared for them. They should also know that they need to be responsible for those choices. I think that so much of that information is not reaching young people. If you give them all the information and show them all the options (no, not really show them )and they understand that abortions are not just another form of birth control but rather a last resort, then I think we would have a lot more responsible teens today and parents in the future. |
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Joy Honey
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12-14-2005 19:18
Eat a bunch of steaks, kill a cow. Yes. Save a baby, kill a mother? No, saving a baby never requires the death of a mother, never ever ever. Save a baby, kill a mother? Wrong again. Why must it be either the baby or the mother? Ever hear of a C-section? Save a human, kill a chimp? The logic of these statements aren't provided in your post. There have been cases (and probably are cases now) of women having cancer or some life-threatening disease/accident where they could have medication(procedure) that would save their own lives, but they would have to abort the pregnancy. If the mother chooses not to have the medication/procedure, she will most likely die. My sister had an emergency C-section. They both almost died. I hope I'm making sense, cold medicine is funny stuff _____________________
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Joy Honey
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12-14-2005 19:19
Most ironic statement ever. Nuh uh - "I smoked pot but didn't inhale" (and I liked Clinton hehe) _____________________
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Kevn Klein
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12-14-2005 19:35
Just what the heck are you talking about, bud? I think you are in the wrong thread. Go get a C-section for fun somtime. It's not a matter of having fun. It's a matter of a human life. |
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Susie Boffin
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12-14-2005 19:42
It's not a matter of having fun. It's a matter of a human life. I still don't know what cows have to do with anything. I assume you are against capital punishment? If so I congraduate you. Again I must repeat that NOBODY tells me what to do with my own body. That is pretty easy to understand. _____________________
"If you see a man approaching you with the obvious intent of doing you good, you should run for your life." - Henry David Thoreau
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Kevn Klein
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12-14-2005 19:45
I still don't know what cows have to do with anything. I assume you are against capital punishment? If so I congraduate you. Again I must repeat that NOBODY tells me what to do with my own body. That is pretty easy to understand. The problem is the child is not the woman's body. The child isn't the property of her mother either. |
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Susie Boffin
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12-14-2005 19:56
The problem is the child is not the woman's body. The child isn't the property of her mother either. Kevin for some reason I like talking to you even if your ideas represent the most evil and immoral concepts known. If those cells growing in a woman's body aren't hers who owns thems? George Bush? _____________________
"If you see a man approaching you with the obvious intent of doing you good, you should run for your life." - Henry David Thoreau
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Damien Took
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12-14-2005 20:00
If those cells growing in a woman's body aren't hers who owns thems? George Bush? Well of course not silly. Everyone knows Al Gore invented "cells growing in a woman's body"...he owns them  |
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Susie Boffin
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12-14-2005 20:03
Well of course not silly. Everyone knows Al Gore invented "cells growing in a woman's body"...he owns them No no no he invented the Internet! _____________________
"If you see a man approaching you with the obvious intent of doing you good, you should run for your life." - Henry David Thoreau
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