Disgusting Gated Community Yuppie Scum

I don't recall callign anyone "Scum", I said I don't approve of what they are doing to these people. Thanks for making an assumption.

You know what they say about people that make assumptions.

Soo done with this thread and being called names for having opinions.

(Oh now you pity me for having an opinion,.... Is it lonely up there? Up on your pedestal?)

That's a complete and utter non-answer.

I'll ask again: do you think it is hypocritical for you to comment on non-local affairs, yet tell other people to shut up when they comment on affairs not local to them?

Secondary question: if not, why not?

Hey, I have an idea. Comment all you want. Add to global warning and energy waste.

Just stay out of local politics in my area without paying local taxes. Don't tell us how to run our local affairs. Don't incite discontent just because you have access to the Internet, the phone, whatever. And it might be a positive thing in your life if you didn't dwell on affairs that simply don't affect you.

Obviously, some of you think this is important. In a sick way, I guess I should feel proud that a few of you think my opinion is important enough that you want to "play with me" in this wonderful fashion. Instead, I'm still waiting for the intelligent part of this conversation from someone other than myself. Do I hear any takers?

Answered multiple times in multiple ways.

Or, as it goes, not in the slightest, ever, in any sense of any of the words.

I'll leave it there I think, point proven.

1) Look at the thread title. Hint - last word. No, it's not "your" thread.. you didn't make the title. A certain person did. Period.

As for assumptions.. go find a mirror and reread your post aloud while you look in the mirror.

Have a nice day.

Post #39. Reread it... Point proven.

Last word.

Let's leave it for posterity and the casual reader to decide whether you're a flaming hypocrite, okay?

The jury's come in on you already....

What?

"Comment all you want" and "Don't tell us how...." LOL.

Picabo, the intelligent part of the conversation can't begin until you recognize the right of the other people to be in the conversation in the first place.

How about you staying out of local school board politics in Colorado? Was that a mistake, or do you have some rationalization that only applies to you? To quote some one, oh wait, it's you, "And it might be a positive thing in your life if you didn't dwell on affairs that simply don't affect you." Or doesn't your own advice apply to you either?

I've never seen being called a hypocrite bother a conservative in the least. Use the word "flaming" though...

I have a feeling gas leaks and guns will be involved before long.

oh, never mind, it'll just be stupid

Quiet a nice hole ya got there fella, need some help?

One more time. I didn't inviolve myself in a discussionof local politics in Colorado. Read the tharead again before you embarass yourself yet again.

You can comment. Seriously. I never disputed your right to comment. By asking/posting that the OP's initial post was offensive, --- seriously, go reread my initial post, but look slightly past the indiividual words if you can --- then ah f** it. It's worse than speaking to a wall. You don't WANT to understand? You can't understand? I no longer care, if I ever did. I do pity you tho. I really do.

Dinner over?

Then the source article and FEMA need to get their biased views gone or they'll never have my support. Equal rights does not exclude men form such housing, in any portion of it. After all there isnt a section for men and children, with no women, is there?

Maybe we should review a few things?











You have to admit it certainly looks like you questioned people's rights to comment.

All of that aside. I pretty much agree that the OP was way over the top and way too free expressing indignation with her only info being a single short news clipping. Picabo, your argument would have been more effective if you had stuck to presenting other facts that were relevant in this situation and if you had refrained from telling people they shouldn't put in their two cents.

Yeah, 'cause we shouldn't deal with the world as it is, just as it should be! Disaster relief isn't based on equal rights, it's based on need. If there is a need for housing for single women with children, then that need should be taken care of. If there is a need for housing for families with children, or housing for single men, or housing for the elderly, attend to those needs. Focusing on equal rights in this case is absurd.

Tell you what... Here's two cents. Go spend it elsewhere, cool?

I clarified and qualified the "you don't have the right" statement multiple times. You even just now quoted them. Look at the totality of the speech you quoted.... look at more than the individual words.

First I request the OP not continue in derogating my area. I repeated that in different words in different posts, clarifying that this is perceived locally as a local matter. I extended the argument further pointing out the relationship between taxation and speech -- a cornerstone of American values (remember "no taxation without representation"? - well turn that around and listen, "no representation without taxation". I certainly haven't seen a non-local pay taxes to NOT have something put somewhere.

Either you agree that this is a local matter or it's not. My view is obvious.

Locals get to speak on local matters... the rest of anything anyone else but a local says is just noise at best.

If that's not enough to satisfy you, here's two more cents. I'm out of money now. Go spend it elsewhere. Mardi Gras is over. Move along.

A completely "new" issue in this thread.. but I'll deal.

Prior to the disaster here, I'd mostly agree with what you said. In its aftermath the truth, the reality that I have experienced, is far different. Disaster relief is based on: 1) access 2) politics (and patronage) 3) publicity 4) media coverage 5) other considerations. Disaster relief is also a function of blame and blame shifting, who has the deepes pockets, who has the saddest story that can be told effectively USING VISUALS - and finally, actually getting the people who control the pursestrings with feet on the ground in the affected area.

Only after one or more of those things is dealt with is the question of "honest" need responded to on anything approaching an "equal" basis.

Aside from your cutting sarcasm you bring up very valid points in your posts and I have learned a few things from them. In particular, I agree completely with what you say here.

We were not hit half as bad as NO and we are still cleaning up and we still have people homeless and the reasons are exactlly as you have stated above.

I don't concede on the point about how the people in the gated community are acting, I still think they are typical self centered jerks- but you do raise valid points about what is happening. I sincerely hope that things begin to get a little better for everyone there each day. Though like you said, it's complicated.

Picabo... just an fyi for you. I live in CenLa so I know exactly how you feel. I've been through exactly what you have in this thread on another board. Someone even went so far as to suggest moving NO futher inland.



Here's another little tidbit for you. Because my house was still in trust during both Katrina and Rita I don't qualify for any assistance. I still can't live in my home. The best I can do is, once the house is offically in my name, try to get an equity loan and hope I can sell the house after making enough repairs to make it livable. After surviving 15 hurricanes in 46 years, I've had enough.

The sad fact is many will never understand what's going on until they have experienced it. They don't remember the devastation of Camille. I do. My brothers were attending GCMA at the time in Gulfport.

*sighs* The point is, those who don't want to understand aren't going to. No use in arguing with them.

You don't have to agree. You're simply uniformed ... and that was what ticked me off... the apparent arrogance of ignorance (no, that was not intended as an insult, but a serious, honest reaction to the thread title+).

That you still view the locals as "typical self centered jerks" simply reinforces that since the initial post, you apparently STILL haven't looked up anything but the initial news report on this -- and there have been other stories relating to the initial report you linked to.

For instance, you aren't aware that just across the street from the place the trailer park was being "put in/erected" was a larger, flatter area which was available and those from Lakewood said they'd have no problem with the trailer park being located there, are you? Just across the street... less crowding. No? You didn't? Oh. Did you know that was pointed out to FEMA? No? You didn't? Oh. You didn't know that an attempt at accomodation WAS tried multiple times? No? I didn't think you/99% of those who are not local did. That doesn't seem to have made the national wires for some reason.

And you do realize that Nagin's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't no matter what he does, whether it's a proposal or an action? You realize that, right?

And thus the label "the arrogance of ignorance"....

I notice that you/no one has apparently asked a Linden to change the thread title - not that I asked or even actually expected that you/anyone do so. Such non-action shows the insensitivity illustrated daily by those not here, "fighting the valiant fight" even without leaving home daily, but especially then. That type of action might have been an indication of you honestly being empathic now. But, that hasn't happened and saying you understand a bit more now sounds empty.

One thing to remember, non-locals get 5, 10, maybe 15 minutes a day of "recovery news" on South Texas, South Louisiana, South and Central Mississippi, South Alabama and Northwest Florida - if that. We get innundated with it from the moment we get up and drive through a non-operational stop light (on major thoroughfares) in the morning right through end of day radio/television "sign off" (they don't actually sign off any more but I have no idea what else to call these) messages that some local stations still make. In between, we are faced with still abandoned, rotting and stinking cars, blue tarp roofs that now flap in the wind and offer no protection after having fought the elements for over seven months now, and all sorts of other garbage... a continuing lack of medical care, child care, schools, even WalMart is no longer open the hours it used to be before they were 24/7. When was the last time you visited a friend or relative and every house on the street had abandoned refrigerators, stoves, freezers, etc. lined up between the sidewalk and the street..... ever? We still have that for miles and miles of streeets seven months later, going on eight. Simple things those not here take for granted.

One CANNOT get a sense of the visual effect on our psyche's from the news coverage... it's simply impossible. Look on a map of New Orleans. Find City Park. Now, consider that the entire North-South length of the park had a pile of rubble there that was 30 feet high (added word) and twice that deep for months. But we saw trash haulers hauling trash every day --- the pile simply never seemed to decrease... and there's still entire areas barely touched as major demolitions have yet to begin in numerous areas.

There's a feeling here not merely of national abandonment but almost of increasing resistance to assistance by other Americans who haven't been here. Not all.. many have come and helped, or sent help. That's never been ignored and has always been appreciated more than can be expressed ---- even simple things as "lost" shipments that only recently showed up and are no longer as needed as they once were. Still, when 95% of one's family is now unemployed (before Katrina everyone had $40k+ jobs), uninsured, under-insured and/or now uninsurable, well, you might begin to get a clue of the stress and impact just on one family I know. Luckily, that one's not mine. We have 50% employment, though one dropped from a stock broker position to a fast food assistant manager position.

So, yes, I (and many like me) ARE sensitized to criticisms from non-locals and you may not have been aware of just how much or on something as seemingly "simple and innocuous" as this. My emotions remain raw. I don't apologize for them.

Don't believe what you see on the news. It's that simple. You want to know what's going on.. come see for yourself. We could use the taxes you spend on the fast food you eat while here.

Just please don't post from ignorance about what's going on here again.