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Just what the CRAP is up with this world?

Marcus Moreau
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06-09-2006 05:44
From: Leena Khan
Only the immoral people would go out and actually do it, and they probably wouldnt talk about it.


I'd do both if I had a spiked baseball bat...

MM

PS: *snicker*
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Maia Fackler
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06-09-2006 11:40
Mandatory castration is the way to go for these individuals. “Off with their heads!”
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Rasah Tigereye
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06-09-2006 12:09
I know I'm going to get killed for this, but that article doesn't specifically define what they mean by "rape." If he did what some other creep did a while ago, which is stick his thing into a baby, causing her severe physical damage, then yes, this guy should have a MUCH more serious sentence. If he took lewd pictures of the baby and did obviously sexual things that did not cause any physical harm to the baby, then this guy has something very wrong in his head, does need punishment, but mostly needs something to fix whatever is wrong with his head. That baby probably had no idea what was going on or happening to her, and if no physical damage was done, I would hope that her parents and the rest of society won't screw with her hear and give mer mental damabe by explaining this to her. Hell, here's a radical idea: instead of killing these bastards off, figure out what causes people to do this insane stuff, and try to figure out how to prevent it in the first place. (p.s. it's not "having a penis." You can do a lot without using one).
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06-09-2006 12:13
i think this guys needs a dose of "excedrin headache medicine number .357"
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06-09-2006 12:19
From: Billybob Goodliffe
i think this guys needs a dose of "excedrin headache medicine number .357"



See "Capital Punishment. Deterrent/Preventative measure. Often does not work."
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Surreal Farber
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06-09-2006 12:24
From: Rick Deckard
I think it depends on what you think the function of the prison system is. If you think that it's restitution or justice, then perhaps yes, he should be killed or tortured for the rest of his life as you said. However, hate or revenge are not the better of our human faculties, and justice is sometimes hard to achieve. Afterall, you might be able to make things equal or as hurtful between the rapist and the child, but how do you make things equal between this child and other children? He/she got raped, the others didn't. Also, what about the injustices that the rapist had to endure throughout his life? Poverty, broken family, failed community, etc. There's a reason you became a rocket scientist and he became a rapist. And that reason does not lie entirely within himself. On the other hand, if you think that prisons should serve to rehabilitate offenders or at least render them harmless (which I think is a better choice), then perhaps eight years is enough. But that's for his parole officers to decide.


:eek: :eek: :eek:

Prevention. A dead child rapist is 100% guaranteed not to do it again. If someone did this to my child, there is absolutely no chance that they would be alive afterwards.

Oh.. and screw this broken home shit. My family was a cesspool. I'm screwed up, but I didn't become an animal.

*disclaimer: I am only talking about someone who has been convicted on no shadow of a doubt evidence and confession, considering just how many people have been wrongfully convicted*
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Alazarin Mondrian
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06-09-2006 12:30
Sick as such an act is, I feel I have to side with Rick Deckard, Rasah Tigereye, Allana Dion, et al.. The type of justice meted out says as much about our society as the act itself. Yes, in some parts of the world, the perp(s) would heve been executed, lynched, whatever, long ago. However mob rule is not the answer. A few years ago the UK was gripped by 'paedo' hysteria which resulted in a torch-carrying mob trashing a pediatrician's surgery (or was it her home.. I can't remember the full details) simply because they were so thick and ignorant of their own language that they couldn't differentiate between a pediatrician and a paedophile.

Reprogramming such individuals as the perps in this case would be an interesting challenge for clinical psychotherapists. However, the more important job is treating the victims so that they can live normal (is there really such a thing?) lives.
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Rasah Tigereye
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06-09-2006 12:43
From: Alazarin Mondrian
Sick as such an act is, I feel I have to side with Rick Deckard, Rasah Tigereye, Allana Dion, et al.. The type of justice meted out says as much about our society as the act itself. Yes, in some parts of the world, the perp(s) would heve been executed, lynched, whatever, long ago. However mob rule is not the answer. A few years ago the UK was gripped by 'paedo' hysteria which resulted in a torch-carrying mob trashing a pediatrician's surgery (or was it her home.. I can't remember the full details) simply because they were so thick and ignorant of their own language that they couldn't differentiate between a pediatrician and a paedophile.



Don't forget, here in US there's also the thought that gay = pedophile, which for the last few decades meant "KILL GAYS! They're Pedophiles!" Or at the least, "Don't let gays adopt. We obviously won't say this out loud, but everyone secretly knows they're pedophiles."
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Devlin Gallant
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06-09-2006 13:30
From: Rasah Tigereye
See "Capital Punishment. Deterrent/Preventative measure. Often does not work."


But it DOES prevent repeat offenders.
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Rasah Tigereye
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06-09-2006 13:47
From: Devlin Gallant
But6 it DOES prevent repeat offenders.


So does locking someone up in prison, or a psych ward, or confining them to any place where they can't get out and/or are monitored (which has the extra benefit of still having them around to learn from and study them.)
It's also much cheaper to keep someone in prison for life than to sentence them to death.
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06-09-2006 13:49
From: Rasah Tigereye
So does locking someone up in prison, or a psych ward, or confining them to any place where they can't get out and/or are monitored (which has the extra benefit of still having them around to learn from and study them.)
It's also much cheaper to keep someone in prison for life than to sentence them to death.


What??? Housing someone for 50 years and feeding them and paying for their medical cannot be cheaper than a quick injection of something lethal or a couple bullets, I would like to know where you get this information.
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06-09-2006 13:55
From: Maeve Morgan
What??? Housing someone for 50 years and feeding them and paying for their medical cannot be cheaper than a quick injection of something lethal or a couple bullets, I would like to know where you get this information.


I think it is due to a few things, one of them being people on death row get more appeals...


http://www.deathpenalty.org/index.php?pid=cost
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06-09-2006 14:03
From: Surreal Farber
Prevention. A dead child rapist is 100% guaranteed not to do it again.
Lets execute all prisoners then, eliminate crime for good, and use the money to build better schools. Everyone should be happy, minus the (ex-) prisoners. The problem is that that would be an unjust and morally reprehensible thing to do. I'm afraid that prevention (or convenience) do not carry as much moral clout as justice does.
From: Surreal Farber
Oh.. and screw this broken home shit. My family was a cesspool. I'm screwed up, but I didn't become an animal.
There have also been great families that have produced animals. The thing is, family is only one factor in someone's development. There are also genes and hormones, friends, teachers, lovers, peer pressure, culture, sexual repression, religious beliefs, etc. A child rapist, or anyone for that matter, is not borne out of thin air. He is the product of many different factors; a sick product, yes, but a product nonetheless.
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06-10-2006 12:11
From: Maeve Morgan
What??? Housing someone for 50 years and feeding them and paying for their medical cannot be cheaper than a quick injection of something lethal or a couple bullets, I would like to know where you get this information.


It actually is, but only because we make it so. Like I said, bullet, small amount of paperwork and its done.

We've overcomplicated the system.
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06-10-2006 13:38
From: Rasah Tigereye
So does locking someone up in prison, or a psych ward, or confining them to any place where they can't get out and/or are monitored (which has the extra benefit of still having them around to learn from and study them.)
It's also much cheaper to keep someone in prison for life than to sentence them to death.


It only prevents repeat offenders if there is no parole, and it is for life. And the only reason it may cost more to sentence someone to death is all the appeals, court costs, and lawyers fees that result. If after a death sentence we just took em out back, and put a gun to their head we would save BILLIONS!!!
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06-10-2006 14:31
From: Rasah Tigereye
So does locking someone up in prison, or a psych ward, or confining them to any place where they can't get out and/or are monitored (which has the extra benefit of still having them around to learn from and study them.)
It's also much cheaper to keep someone in prison for life than to sentence them to death.


Execute them, spend the money on mental and physical rehab for their victims.
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06-10-2006 14:50
From: Surreal Farber
Execute them, spend the money on mental and physical rehab for their victims.


I think you're viewing this as an either-or thing, for one. For another - the death penalty is something I oppose on principle. It is both barbaric and too-frequently wrongly applied.

Having had experience in the legal system (both as victim and watching a friend get put through hell for something someone else confessed to), I don't have the faith in it that some do, to feel comfortable letting the legal system dispense lethal "justice".

I have been molested, and raped; I feel longer sentences are called for, not death penalties. And I'm sure that'll make me unpopular, but, y'know - fuck it.

We need to think our approach and our priorities; perhaps it would be better for society if we demanded that victimless "crimes" (the possession of a plant barely harmful in excess, for instance) were stripped of their criminality, so the money used to house such prisoners could be used to address /actual/, harmful felons. It's unlikely under our current system; certain people make far too much money off the prisons to allow that.
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06-10-2006 15:21
From: Alazarin Mondrian
Sick as such an act is, I feel I have to side with Rick Deckard, Rasah Tigereye, Allana Dion, et al.. The type of justice meted out says as much about our society as the act itself. Yes, in some parts of the world, the perp(s) would heve been executed, lynched, whatever, long ago. However mob rule is not the answer. A few years ago the UK was gripped by 'paedo' hysteria which resulted in a torch-carrying mob trashing a pediatrician's surgery (or was it her home.. I can't remember the full details) simply because they were so thick and ignorant of their own language that they couldn't differentiate between a pediatrician and a paedophile.



Yes, it would have been funny had it not been so sad. The woman concerned was literally run out of her home.

Ignorance fueled by the media can do wonderful things. :(
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06-10-2006 16:25
This is a drum I've been banging in these forums for some time now-but with a much more negative response.

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