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Billybob Goodliffe
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06-29-2006 08:48
From: Siro Mfume
An investigation. I need one. You should too. Just because an organization supposedly takes resonsibility does not remove obligation to the original victims to investigate the original murders and discover what really happened.

so when a murderer pleads guilty they should still have the trial?
Billybob Goodliffe
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06-29-2006 08:50
From: Kendra Bancroft
It's not unfounded at all. And of course I read it.

and his proof is where? exactly he discusses the Polish discovering evidence and then links to an article about New Zealand.
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06-29-2006 08:56
From: Billybob Goodliffe
so when a murderer pleads guilty they should still have the trial?


Quite. They might be lying. Who trusts a murderer?

Terrorist cells are always claiming responsibility for each others acts, it's par for the course.

And, I ask, who can tell us what Al Qaeda is?
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Billybob Goodliffe
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06-29-2006 08:56
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What evidence is there to suggest that there will not be one, Elinea? These are people that work on a different timescale. You did, I imagine, hear about the terrorist attack on London less than a year ago? Is this not evidence enough that whatever Al-Qaeda is (and do you know?) is quite capable striking?

"In War crap happens"? Do you feel at war with the Iraqi and Afghan civilians? Where is your evidence to suggest they had anything to do with 9/11? Bush has none, Blair has none.

They had nothing to do with it. This war, illegal in the eyes of the United Nations, leaves innocent blood on the hands of all of us that did nothing or little to prevent it.

"Hate breeds Terrorists...and Liberals" What is a terrorist, Elinea? Do you know that? If it is defined by those attacks on New York, it can similarly be defined by the "shock and awe" unleashed upon Baghdad in the opening stages of the invasion.

And Afghanistan can only aspire to being a second world country, can it? Well, there is not time here to discuss that country's venerable history.

There is nothing to be done when the aggression and greed of nations is bouyed by its people's vitriol.



38000 civilians dead. Over ten times the number that perished on 9/11.

that countries history involves being conquored repeatedly, A terrorist by definition targets CIVILIANS to make a political point. If they attacked say men in uniform they wouldn't be the scourge of the Earth, they would be called soldiers/freedom fighters/w/e now our "Shock and Awe" targeted MILITARY installations, NOT CIVILIANS. Thats why I can say we are not terrorists.
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06-29-2006 08:56
From: Billybob Goodliffe
so when a murderer pleads guilty they should still have the trial?


We, or I at least, am talking about what happens before a trial. You have one group who has supposedly confessed, but a lot of different leads that point in other directions. Sure you can just use the scapegoat confession, but it doesn't attempt to solve the murder.

Are you a lazy cop or a good cop?
Billybob Goodliffe
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06-29-2006 08:57
From: Paradise Popinjay
Quite. They might be lying. Who trusts a murderer?

Terrorist cells are always claiming responsibility for each others acts, it's par for the course.

And, I ask, who can tell us what Al Qaeda is?

they tell us repeatedly, ever hear one of Bin Laden's tapes or recordings?
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06-29-2006 08:59
From: Siro Mfume
We, or I at least, am talking about what happens before a trial. You have one group who has supposedly confessed, but a lot of different leads that point in other directions. Sure you can just use the scapegoat confession, but it doesn't attempt to solve the murder.

Are you a lazy cop or a good cop?

You also are not allowed to legally have a trial without the accused. Since we can't get Bin Laden we can't put him on trial can we?
Paradise Popinjay
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06-29-2006 08:59
From: Billybob Goodliffe
they tell us repeatedly, ever hear one of Bin Laden's tapes or recordings?


Yeah, I have. I'm still none the wiser. He's not exactly giving names and addresses, is he?
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06-29-2006 09:01
From: Billybob Goodliffe
You also are not allowed to legally have a trial without the accused. Since we can't get Bin Laden we can't put him on trial can we?


Obviously, but we're not sure he did it. We only have a video which does not clearly show him claiming he did it. If this WERE the NYPD, they would turn that evidence over to legal to see if they can get a trial-in-absentia going while they pursue other leads. Just because you have a potential prime suspect does not mean you ignore other potential suspects.
Billybob Goodliffe
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06-29-2006 09:02
From: Paradise Popinjay
Yeah, I have. I'm still none the wiser. He's not exactly giving names and addresses, is he?

you know the parts where he says "our islamic brothers in Iraq"

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/19/D8F7RDH00.html

just to make it an easier search.
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06-29-2006 09:05
From: Billybob Goodliffe
and his proof is where? exactly he discusses the Polish discovering evidence and then links to an article about New Zealand.



it's got one misdirected link out of a dozen other links.

I'm not your nursemaid -- do some research into what the article states.
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06-29-2006 09:06
From: Billybob Goodliffe
so when a murderer pleads guilty they should still have the trial?


In this country they do.
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Billybob Goodliffe
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06-29-2006 09:07
From: Siro Mfume
Obviously, but we're not sure he did it. We only have a video which does not clearly show him claiming he did it. If this WERE the NYPD, they would turn that evidence over to legal to see if they can get a trial-in-absentia going while they pursue other leads. Just because you have a potential prime suspect does not mean you ignore other potential suspects.

yeah Massoui (?) the hijacker they just put on trial
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06-29-2006 09:07
From: Paradise Popinjay
Quite. They might be lying. Who trusts a murderer?

Terrorist cells are always claiming responsibility for each others acts, it's par for the course.

And, I ask, who can tell us what Al Qaeda is?



I can --but then you know that I can. So I'll just be quiet about it until you spring the surprise.
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06-29-2006 09:08
From: Billybob Goodliffe
that countries history involves being conquored repeatedly, A terrorist by definition targets CIVILIANS to make a political point. If they attacked say men in uniform they wouldn't be the scourge of the Earth, they would be called soldiers/freedom fighters/w/e now our "Shock and Awe" targeted MILITARY installations, NOT CIVILIANS. Thats why I can say we are not terrorists.


If you saw the same pictures we all did of Baghdad during that attack, and have lived in a city of a similar size, you cannot reasonably claim that it was only military personell targeted. It certainly wasn't only military personell dying.

And you are absolutely right, Afghanistan's history does involve being invaded all the time, the poor souls. Must have something there we all want, wouldn't you say?

Sadly, I must away, and therefore cannot defend against these outrageous claims any longer.
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06-29-2006 09:08
From: Kendra Bancroft
it's got one misdirected link out of a dozen other links.

I'm not your nursemaid -- do some research into what the article states.

I did and got nothing. Seems like more unfounded propaganda Kendra
Billybob Goodliffe
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06-29-2006 09:09
From: Paradise Popinjay
If you saw the same pictures we all did of Baghdad during that attack, and have lived in a city of a similar size, you cannot reasonably claim that it was only military personell targeted. It certainly wasn't only military personnel dying.

And you are absolutely right, Afghanistan's history does involve being invaded all the time, the poor souls. Must have something there we all want there, wouldn't you say?

Sadly, I must away, and therefore cannot defend against these outrageous claims any longer.

I never said they didn't, did I?
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06-29-2006 09:10
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I did and got nothing. Seems like more unfounded propaganda Kendra



prove it.
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06-29-2006 09:11
From: Billybob Goodliffe
you know the parts where he says "our islamic brothers in Iraq"

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/19/D8F7RDH00.html

just to make it an easier search.


Good God, Billybob, if I only had the time. Someone please help out in my absence.
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Billybob Goodliffe
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06-29-2006 09:13
From: Kendra Bancroft
prove it.

prove what? your the one trying to prove a point I'm just saying your link didn't make a point

but since you'll whine and say I'm not better heres the search

http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?p=bush+and+the+Nazis&ei=UTF-8&x=wrt
Billybob Goodliffe
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06-29-2006 09:15
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Good God, Billybob, if I only had the time. Someone please help out in my absence.

time to do what? that was just today's message. you want to go back further?
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06-29-2006 09:17
BREAKING: 5-3 decision, Supreme Court smacks down Bush over Gitmo detainees
http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/06/breaking-5-3-decision-supreme-court.html

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More importantly, the Court held that Common Article 3 of Geneva aplies as a matter of treaty obligation to the conflict against Al Qaeda. That is the HUGE part of today's ruling. The commissions are the least of it. This basically resolves the debate about interrogation techniques, because Common Article 3 provides that detained persons "shall in all circumstances be treated humanely," and that "[t]o this end," certain specified acts "are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever"—including "cruel treatment and torture," and "outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment." This standard, not limited to the restrictions of the due process clause, is much more restrictive than even the McCain Amendment. See my further discussion here.

This almost certainly means that the CIA's interrogation regime is unlawful, and indeed, that many techniques the Administation has been using, such as waterboarding and hypothermia (and others) violate the War Crimes Act (because violations of Common Article 3 are deemed war crimes)."

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Not so quaint after all, those Geneve Conventions... note one thing. The Supreme Court is now 7-2 Republican to Democrat. The court is even further to the right than it was when Bush took office since he replaced Sandra Day O'Connor with Alito, who is far to the right of her.

That means that even with the most conservative Supreme Court in decades, Bush still got slapped down for his handling of civil liberties under the war on terror. Enough of this "activist judges" bs. Even the Republican-run court slaps down Bush (and apparently the legislative branch gets slapped too)."


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06-29-2006 09:20
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In this country they do.

let me see *pulls up Bill Of Rights*
Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence

hard to confront your accusers when you are not there isn't it? Now I know it has happened before, but a simple appeal would get you off
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06-29-2006 09:25
From: Billybob Goodliffe
let me see *pulls up Bill Of Rights*
Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence

hard to confront your accusers when you are not there isn't it? Now I know it has happened before, but a simple appeal would get you off



uhm. What does that have to do with what I said?

You asked if there is a trial even if the "murderer" admits guilt.

I said there is. :::shrug:::
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06-29-2006 09:28
From: Billybob Goodliffe
yeah Massoui (?) the hijacker they just put on trial


It was shown Massoui (?) did not have any link to Al Qaeada (which we're not sure did it anyway). It was also shown he did not and could not have masterminded or even participated in the event.

So we still haven't really answered any of the required investigative questions yet. We still don't know with any certainty who was on the planes and who told them to be there.
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