"Second Life does not allow Nazi iconography as it broadly offensive."

Very nice post, Newfie. And a very wise post, Fritz. There is some fabulous and heartfelt and so-true writing in this thread. That was beautiful, Prok.

"It's amazing how easily folks can become desensitized."

Exactly, Nolan. (I believe it was Nolan.) And using this imagery lightly does just exactly that, and unbelievably quickly.

I'd like to say here, while I'm at it, that I am hugely proud of my (imperfect) country, the U.S., and it's (imperfect) citizens. I love them and I think they are wonderful. I am deeply patriotic, out of love for my fellow citizens and our country and the good we have done, and I'm proud of it.

I love other (imperfect) countries, too, and their (imperfect) citizens. Why? Because most people are good.

That is why I wish to take this opportunity to distance myself from any America-bashing in this thread, particularly when it is done by Americans. As I would distance myself from the bashing of any other country and it's people, had I seen much of that in this thread.

There is a difference between critizing policy and bashing a country OR it's people. The first is reasonable, the second is generally just an attempt to appear chic and stylish. (Except for a few, who truly do hate where they live, and should move.)

I feel the same about other people who bash their own (imperfect) countries - unless it is a country with an oppressive regime, in which case they are right to fight against it. Even so, that is STILL a different thing from hating the country itself, its culture, or its people. That is merely trying to free the people from oppression.

I, too, have a relative who died in WWII; I was named after him. And I will never, ever, for a minute forget that he was shot down, in his youth, while parachuting to the ground after his plane was disabled. He did that for me, for all of us, for all the victims of the Nazi regime. He did it for all people, for the future, for humanity. He was a hero, and I could never in my lifetime do or be anything to compare with what he was and did at 22.

Everything everyone has said to you in this thread about why there is "censorship" regarding Nazi imagery and Nazi play games - read it, learn, and know.

coco

I must have missed the "America is perfect" post, any need for this other than trolling?

Ahhh, so the American flag is equal to or worse than the Nazi flag in your eyes? Ok.

Hear about the recent uproar from the Chinese about Japanese history books down-playing the attrocities during WWII? Quite interesting.

20 million Russians
7 million British & Commonwealth
13 million jews,gypsies,catholics,homosexuals...................................on & on & on & on

You cant find a paralell in modern history - nothing even comes CLOSE (maybe,as Prokofy correctly states, the Purges in the Soviet Union but nothing else)

The use of these symbols for documentation or historical education is to be applauded but for the titilation of the human libido.............? Oh I think not.

Is it coincidence that some of the worlds most infamous serial killers were avid fans of this very same thing? Methinks not,because a diseased mind has its basis in FANTASY.

Prokofy - some people call you their nemisis, but that post was the most intelligent and articulate thing I've ever read on these forums 10/10 sir.

Grandfather - Air frame tech on Spitfires & Hurricanes
Grandfather - one of the Liberators of Bergen Belsen
Great Uncle - killed at Alamein
Great Uncle - captured in Burma and a Japanese prisoner of war
Grandmother - Land Army
Grandmother - Royal Airforce Nurse.

Not sure what you mean by that. Do you think that talking about Nazi's, a movie based on nazi behavior, elements of nazi uniforms used in style, Nazi symbols and actions shown for education, and shows like Hogan's Heros in some way show disrespect??

Let's face it. THe United States practically wiped out the different tribes of American Indians. Other countries around thr world have been, and some still are, involved in genocide. The United States have killed many innocents, and many non-innocents, in Iraq. So why is it just Nazi iconology and recreations that are banned?

Is it because of some Europian Laws. History is very important, because we so often repeat it. Ignoring and banning just isn't the way to handle things, and shows far less respect than open dialogue and freedom of expression.

i am not here to play the "break each of my sentences" game
and i am not attacking america especially

i am just sick of these "i am less nazi than you so my opinion weight and your's isnt"

just stating that looking back at our respective countries history they are all built on corpses

The Americans used the Swastika too.....didn't know that did you....they used it in conjunction with a blue star for luck ....don't take my word for it heres some pics... Coke also used it in their promotions....I guess we were Nazi's before Nazi's were Nazi's

What I MEAN by that is that you should show some respect for all those young men and women who DIED to stop Hitlers Nazis and hand you your precious freedom on a silver platter.

Think about that next time your cavorting freely around you living room in your SS uniform.

Ok..now you really lost me. Why would I wear a nazi uniform and how have I shown anyone that died in such a horrible time in history any dissrespect at all? Just swinging to relieve tension or what?

The only thing I've talked about is allowing open discussion about that period of history and the fact the imagery could be used to remind folks of how horrible humans can be to each other and to educate. And for that you attack me? Hmm..perhaps YOU should show some respect? You do know what respect is right? It's not banning or silencing everyone that disagrees with you.

what is the point of reducing me again by some kind of pityfull considering

at least i am able to dissociate stuffs , something you seems not to be able considering how seriously you judge peoples

Burning the flag is not a criminal act here, no matter what you might have read in the Daily Scotsman. There have been times when political extremists have proposed that it should be, but never any real chance that it might be criminalized.

This is probably the reason. The French Government has sued Google, eBay, and a few other services because Nazi items appear for sale on their sites. Even though the French eBay site does not allow Nazi items to be sold there, due to French lawsprohibiting this, the French government is trying to block their sales everywhere, in effect, even though the sale of Nazi memorabilia is not illegal in the US and most other nations.

We have that technology, but we don't use it. The Chinese government is very good at it and at defeating the use of proxies as a workaround.

Everytime someone brings this up I get a chuckle because people act like the US was the first country to ever conquer an untamed territory. Sure its sad what happened to the American Indians. But what do you think they were doing before we showed up? Smoking peace pipes 24/7? No, they had many tribal wars.

Are you equating the US in Iraq with Nazi Germany? Let me ask you this, how many innocent Iraqi's have been killed by the US vs how many were killed during Saddam's reign? And if Saddam was still in power how many would have been killed since the time he was taken from power until now? And before the this war were you complaining about Saddam's rule and calling him Hitler? Or are you only calling the US names because it serves your agenda?

I bet its legal reasons behind LL's decision. Again, its THEIR world, THEY make the rules. Its not like you cant discuss history in TONS of other places. Hell I was playing SL the other night with a documentary on Hitler in my picture-in-picture screen on my monitor. If your only source for history is SL then God watch over you. Oh wait, I cant say God! *runs from the stones*

hey you makes me think i bounced one day on a proxy in america to check if it was true that french ebay user where sorta sensored and WOW its true!

I'm sure the legal reasons were the deal-clincher.

But I give the Lindens more credit than that. Even without ilegal considerations, I'm sure most of them would ban Nazi imagery for their own good reasons.

coco

Some more pics....Jaqueline Kennedy as a child...more coke advertising rudyard Kipling.....the edmonton ladies hockey team.... a bridge in the midwest built in 1910. The American indians used the swastika and that is where the Americans saw and began using it. The very first boyscouts indian sign language books had swastika's on the back.

As far as what one man did with this symbol ....lets take into consideration the cross....

"If we look past this, we can see the reasoning behind hatred of the swastika, but if we are going to hate the image of the swastika, despite it's history, just because one man who used the symbol was slightly off his rocker, then what about the cross? Many men have worn that symbol and been off their rockers as well!

The cross is the symbol of all that the christians feel is good and holy. But what about the many people who died because they did not believe in the man the christians worship? What about the men who lost their lives in the crusades? or the inquisition, or any of the christians other glorified witch hunts and murderous displays of faith? Considering the population of earth during the crusades as opposed to that of W.W.II, percentage wise the christians killed approx. twice as many men as Hitler. Yet today a man walking the streets wearing a cross is not bothered, but a man with a swastika is considered a nazi.

This is more then wrong, it is ass backwards. The person wearing the swastika may or may not be a nazi, but even if they are, they have not killed anyone themselves, so where is the problem? The person wearing the cross I can guarantee believes in the word of Christ. He may not kill anyone himself, but he is wearing the symbol that is responsible for so many deaths in history. I don't see how we can hate one of these symbols and not the other. "

Please can we make a difference between public and private? I dont think it is up to you or me to have an opinion on what people like to do in their bedroom/house/club/dungeon/whatever. I don’t want to condemn people because of their sexual preferences, no matter how much not my-thing, as long as they are happy with it and it doesn’t hurt anyone who doesn’t want to be hurt -more power to them.

For me this is more about what you can show in public, and even then it is only about the strongest and most-broadly-experienced as “offensive”. Nazi-imagery and childpornography, even virtual, are extremely offensive (henche the long threads) and if it is so obviously hurting so many people I think you can make an effort not to throw it in everyones face.
A forum=public domain=everyones face.

Portugal was only involved to the extent that your government only assisted Germany as much as they were able to without being occupied, the same as Sweden and Spain did during the war. Portugal sold minerals, textiles and foodstuffs from not only Portugal but also your many colonies to Germany, allowed Portuguese-flagged shipping to be used by the Germans to resupply their uboats in the South Atlantic and to carry petroleum, metals and other goods from South America to their European ports, and allowed escaping Nazis the use of Portuguese facilities and passports so that they might avoid capture and prosecution.

To make this relevant, what would happen if you wore a symbol of the cross and walked thru a country that the Crusades affected and did this just 60 years after the Crusades. What would the local reaction be? Only then could you compare it. As for the Christains are twice as worse as Nazi's, nothing new, persecution of Christains is an everyday thing in this country now, but those screaming for freedoms dont seem to care, I mean after all they are evil Christains.

adding to this that lookign at some inquisition museums will show you how sick and twisted the human mind can come when its about making you die slowly and very painfully until you actually BEG for death.
(wheel, rat cages, iron sandals, various crushing devices, limb dislocation, hot irons, stakes, vivisection, wooden horse, chinese saw , impalement ,etc...)

This is completely revelant now. Just because it was a semi recent event in history gives no less merit to the crusades and inquisition.....we're talking about symbols. The Swastika has been a symbol of good luck for centuries ....just because one man tainted it we can never see it again?

Likewise the cross has been around for centuries and the majority of people that use this symbol are decent people ...despite the fact that lunatics in the past have used the symbol to try and subvert or abolish whole races of man.

You can't declare one symbol as evil while cherishing another that has seen as much if not more blood.

"I don’t believe you’re leaving cause
Me and charles manson like the same ice cream"
- Tori Amos, Tear In Your Hand

I disagree. Your comments are about the reactions of people to certain symbols now that are associated with events only 60 years ago and then you compare peoples reactions to symbols related to events long long ago. Basically you are implying people are overreacting. My point was simply what was their reaction to the cross shortly after the crusades.

Thanks for those pics Talen /clap!

And let's not forget that the new POPE was in what? The Hitler Youth??? Ohh yea Irony at it's finest!

i think he was talking about me because i said that the nazi uniform was kinda sexy and dominance inspiring lol