Can you LL monkeys ever get this right?

This thread is a prime example that "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing".

So many of you have no idea what you're talking about.

Nobody outside of LL knows specifically what has gone wrong. Not you, not me, not anyone.
I'd say from the WAY it happened, it almost certainly was a catastrophic hardware failure of some kind.

Now maybe it would be nice if LL would give us a bit more information but personally I'd rather they spent their time trying to fix it.

It's a stab in the dark but I'm guessing that this isn't something that can be recitified with a backup server as they would have done it by now if it was. Thousands of things can go wrong with the kind of system they operate, no company in the world has foolproof backup plans. Clearly what could go wrong HAS gone wrong and it happens to be something that requires significant effort and some help to fix.

Conspiracy theories and assumptions that the problem was caused by load are pointless when nobody actually knows what the problem actually is.

This thread is a prime example that "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing".

So many of you have no idea what you're talking about.

Nobody outside of LL knows specifically what has gone wrong. Not you, not me, not anyone.
I'd say from the WAY it happened, it almost certainly was a catastrophic hardware failure of some kind.

Now maybe it would be nice if LL would give us a bit more information but personally I'd rather they spent their time trying to fix it.

It's a stab in the dark but I'm guessing that this isn't something that can be recitified with a backup server as they would have done it by now if it was. Thousands of things can go wrong with the kind of system they operate, no company in the world has foolproof backup plans. Clearly what could go wrong HAS gone wrong and it happens to be something that requires significant effort and some help to fix.
Conspiracy theories and assumptions that the problem was caused by load are pointless when nobody actually knows what the problem actually is.

* passes out Valium.

If your world is totally crumbling now because of an outage, then maybe you need to reassess your own perspective.

Yes, this sucks. Everyone agrees its inconvenient. Some people may be losing money over this. But get over it. There has NEVER been a guaranteed uptime. There is NO reasonable expectation. You KNEW coming in that Second Life was a bleeding edge world.

If you invested money in tier or in a SL business and you are freaking out, that is YOUR PROBLEM because YOU did not adequately plan for unscheduled downtime and risk when you chose to open your wallet.

If YOU are having REAL WORLD stress over this, then perhaps it would be in your best interest to step back and GO OUTSIDE for awhile and truthfully ask yourself if it is worth it for you to come back.

This smacks of LL running the servers on a shoestring. A properly configured server array with clustered servers and clustered RAID with synchronous and asynchronous replication doesn't have downtime. You can take servers or RAID shelves out of service with only a moderate impact on overall performance. What's happened here, in an environment I would expect for something this big, is a complete non-starter. To me, they're raking in the profits and not putting enough back into the infrastructure.

And from a private yacht, somewhere in the Caribbean, there is the sound of laugher...

Seriously , your incompetence is amazing . How about hiring some competent programmers and get this thing fixed !!!!!!!!!! Mine and I'm sure alot of other ppl's patience is wearing real thin .

I'm not cheering for anyone. Obviously even before this there were issues as you say, we just don't know exactly what has happened in this case. I was just pointing out that there was an awful lot of anger based on conjecture which is just pointless.

Yeah I'm slighly inconvienienced by it all, I had been looking forward to spending today furnishing my new house but instead I've just been doing some RL stuff and hanging out here to have a giggle at the people acting as if the sky is falling.

seriously, you think LL WANTS the grid down, Of course ID LOVE them to throttle back the freeloading free accounts, or at least limit their capabilities but what the heck

1. Loads of talk about servers, software and networks. Simply we don't know and does it matter? What ever the problem a good DR plan would have seen it fixed within the hour. Fact !

to some its is a "sky is falling scenario", because many have buisnesses(my partner and myself included) to run. many of those tier fees get paid due to the buisnesses run in here, so players like you and the others who "suggest"we get a real life can have somewhere to shop, play, dance, etc. people like my hubbie/partner and i as well as many many others put in time and effort and our USD just so you very ones can have a place to do whatever you deem "fun" for Your second life.

so please do not compare your situation to many of others who are investing in this, as an "inconvinience" not being able to place a coffee pot is inconvieniant. losing 2k+ and hour is anger inducing.

Except for the fact that Linden Labs has yet to make a profit. Guess that blows your genius theory out of the water, huh?

Or perhaps there was a cascading failure. Perhaps data corruption somehow got through the backup process and got mirrored everywhere. Perhaps several machines died due to a power surge. You don't know whats going on and are in no way able to make an accurate assessment.


Best practices are great and I'm sure they are being followed, but unplanned circumstances are always a threat.

SL is experimental, LL offers no guaranteed uptime. It was a risk you took with that knowledge, so getting all hett up about it isn't actually achieving anything is it other than raising your blood pressure?

You knew the deal when you joined up.
You knew the deal when you invested money (which incidently I have too).

SL is experimental, LL offers no guaranteed uptime. It was a risk you took with that knowledge, so getting all hett up about it isn't actually achieving anything is it other than raising your blood pressure?

So, you are telling me, with a straight face, that with all the land that Linden has sold to residents of SL and all the monthly maintenance costs for their purchases that they are not making any profit out of this? If you believe that, I've a bridge in London that I'd be willing to sell you...

Properly protected machines don't suffer power surges. If LL have suffered one and did have their machines taken out, then they haven't just got hardware problems..

In this day and age with the technology available to buy and the falling costs of fast links and hardware, there is very little reason why downtime should occur. The systems need to be properly implemented and maintained but after that's taken care of, unplanned downtime is pretty much a thing of the past.