Texture Permission Change: Thoughts?

I was wondering... is this unfortunate change affecting only the clothes and skins that we make from this moment on, or is it affecting the ones that were already made as well? Also, has anyone tried to see what happens when the textures are placed on an object?

This change is retroactive, so it affects a huge number of people and product valued at millions of L$ (skins, tattoos, makeup, some clothing). Basically any raw texture with permissions set to no copy or no transfer is useless for applying to an avatar once that texture is sold/given away by the creator.

All I have to say is

ACK ACK ACK!!!!

I have over 500 skins (yes I am sad)

And ALOT of those like Nora, and Second Skin, RELY on selling different makes ups (of which I own all) to enhance customer satisfaction and endless and limitless amounts of skins to own, by just purchasing new makes up.

This is just so unjustified by Linden Labs, I mean what happens to the 30+ make up tattoos I currenty have for my pre v1.6 skins?

I cannot expect the seller to refund me, and nor should LL expect the seller to refund all of their customers, when SL was created, these makers were given tools and choices within those tools. To change something like this, with the severe impact it could have on customers and designers alike, is just ridiculous!

Surely this should have been put to some kind of vote, by the ppl that USE those tools and options?

What the hell is going on!?

I mean, I now have over half a sodding inventory of useless void products!!! I can't change make up on many of my skins, maybe if had been more widely annouced, i could have made these skins up PRE 1.6, but as of now, I am $L1000's out of pocket and stuck with products I cannot use

Bravo...

I wish we could hear what a linden has to say about what was the reason for the change in texture permissions, and why make it impossible to sell makeup?

Bump!

I guess I'm going to stop making tattoos for other people then. I can't have people copying and giving out my work to other people, well I can now since they will just do it anyway.

Great job Lindens.. I mean christ, ya drop the stipend so no one can buy anything with the amount of money they are making, then at the same time you decide to get rid of the rating cash.. Now that I finally find something I can do and almost make a living with, you go and totally screw that up too. I now have to rip down all my vendors, as well as provide those who have tattoos free versions that are fully able to transfer so my reputation isn't tarnished..

Way to smite an entire industry! You've singlehandedly destroyed the livelyhoods of skin makers, tattoo artists, makup artists, and surely a few other business I haven't mentioned. What? The clubs weren't enough for you? You wanted to make sure everyone looked the same as well?

If it weren't for a few really good friends I've made and the fact that I don't have to pay any more money to you people, I'd leave. You never cease to amaze me how you fail to think through a decision before implementing it.

Sorry to all of you who have bought tattoos from me. I will give you a full rights tattoo if you IM me in world. Also, until the Lindens fix this retarded issue, all my current stock of tattoos will be free.

What this means is I have to create 3 layers of tattoo applications. 1 for each piece of clothing . That takes more time. I love my delivery method of giving them the texture and directions and allowing them to apply it to any level they chose, including the skin itself. Now I can't do that. Which means I either have to create 3 levels and not allow them to apply it to the skin, or not sell them anymore. I'm going to choose the latter because I already spend a lot of time on the former. I don't think anyone wants to pay 300L for a tattoo, but that's pretty much what I'd have to charge with all the extra work involved.

I have decided I am probably NOT going to take my eye texture and tattoos vendor down, but I WILL be adding signs and stuff to sle, etc, saying that if ppl wish to buy it, they can, and then IM me, and I will make the desired undershirt/shirt/jacket/eyes they want and give them too them as clothing/body parts.

This will work won't it?

The sad part about the makeup texture to change the skin is.. you'd really need to make them a whole new skin. Our available records in game are not conducive to this method.

Personally, I wouldn't want to be interrupted everytime someone wants a tat.

IF this isn't resolved otherwise.. I will be making all my tat textures into garments. Giving my work away for free to any & all, is not fair to me.. or those that have already bought and made their own garments/skins etc.

I enjoy having an ongoing income, so I can continue in my shopoholism & pay my land tier in Meins to Gigas Group!

The real sad thing is that those who make skins, will no longer be able to sell them at all. Because the skins have to be full transfer/copy anyone can copy them and give them to friends. Goodbye 1000L+ skins, hell skins in general. I don't see how anyone will make them knowing they will just be given away. Because we all know from the vendor bug and the rights bug that it's what will happen.

I have just put up this sign next to my vendors, this sound ok to you guys? I really DONT want to have to redo ALL my vendors etc, I am hoping this will work for now, mind you I don't make that many sales i need to worry too much

I beleive you can still sell skins, just not ones with seperate make ups?

The way I read it you can't apply the textures to yourself or anything else.. Maybe I'm not reading it right though.. Either way it's still shitty.

Yeah it is...

But the thing is, if the skins already made its ok, you just cant add new layers too it, eg make up etc...

My skins are all fine, all 500+ of them, I just cant really use my second skin, or the new make ups i have bought for my other moddable skins

I agree with you, Tharkis. I do. This is ridiculous, but IF they do not FIX this, I don't see any way around that. And this has to be the most heartbreaking change to SL I can imagine for everyone who makes makeup/tattoos - and you know what, that's not just because it includes me! LOL

I think you would have to do it the way ours are set up... each makeup on an entirely new skin..

That is fine for designers that offer a static look for full body skins. That system breaks down very quickly when people want to mix and match 3-4 different looks on 3 separate layers (head, upper, lower). Some people have bought 20-30 unique makeup looks with my X-ponent makeup line, which offers over 100 million distinctive looks now! I'd rather attempt to push butter through a brick wall than try to duplicate all the options I have already sold to people. If push comes to shove. no pun intended, I may be forced to go 'open source' with some or all of my products in order to compensate all the customers that have already bought stuff from me. This will no doubt significantly devalue a lot of other skin products in SL if everyone is suddenly offered a nice tidy layered PSD file to customize to thier hearts content. Let's hope it doesn't come to that!

this is damn ridiculous and pointlessly fuckin stoopid. Causes way more probs. TY u do great jobs making SL a better place for there resident. *cough cough ya fuckin rite*

namssor, i've been tracking this here and in the hotline. Jeska's responses seemed to be rather cookie-cutter and point you to the 1.6 notes which do not reflect the issue here at all.

are you getting an adequate response from LL on this issue? do you feel that they understand the problem?

this doesn't seem like a bug, it seems like a design change where they weren't totally aware of the consequences.

are they reversing this in 1.6?

if you are not getting an adequate response on this, please let us know and we can make the issue a little more front-of-mind if need be

Honestly, I suspect the change in 1.6 was a quick-fix for some kind of issue that made no-trans textures change permissions somehow, when coupled with certain circumstances, and a real fix for *that* issue along with skin/tattoo normalcy will return "next week". Of course, that could all be conspiracy theory, too.

It would be nice to hear from a Linden about this situation and why the changes were implemented. It's disconcerting to have a change implemented that would cause so much distress to so many players and not see a Linden post in this thread. Some word from LL would at least calm the masses a bit, so at least we would know that they are aware of the situation.

That's how I've always done mine too Sens, so this doesn't affect my skins at all. I had modifiable skins out only briefly until someone pointed out how easy it would be for someone to steal my textures, and someone else actually did steal them. I took down my mod skins that day. You can still sell skins. You can still allow people to have makeup and tattoos added. You just have to do it for them. We're supposed to get an extra texture layer for tatts that's not tied directly to skin. I was hoping it would be in 1.6 but alas it isn't. That's the solution we really need. Then people can manage their own tatts regardless of what kind of skin they own and tatt makers don't have to release their tatts without the protection of permissions.

I have every confidence that LL understands the consequences of thier "design" change. I think the vague answers from LL employees is due to what LL as a company is willing to tell us at this point, not because of any misunderstanding of the issues. There are a lot of extremely bright people working at LL. Vague answers indicate that they have not yet come to a final decision as to what to do about it. The change was obviously deliberate. It was documented in the release notes under "Changes", not "known Bugs". There are almost a dozen relevant threads touching on this subject. Half of those threads are in the LL Hotline section. It is now time to wait, to give LL some breathing room, and to keep these discussions open for new thoughts on the matter as it develops over the next few days.

Chip, I don't think I was part of SL when you went through these theft issues, so I don't know the details of what happened to you. However, I think that what you and I do on the texturing front is as original as our own signatures. If someone wants to go around trying to sell hacked skins that look just like yours or mine they will not get very far. If I can manage to run a successful business with fully licensed client side skin installers, I have no doubt you could run a successful business with modifiable skins. You are a celebrity here in SL, and for good reason. You have integrity and have gifted much of your hard work to the greater good of SL, not to mention being one of the "oldbies". Any skin hack wouldn't stand a hamsters chance in a piranha pool trying to profit off your "signature" work.

All that aside, what really is the issue here is the fact that all my customers, and many customers of other designers are left high and dry in this “design” change. It would take me well into several releases of v1.6.x and probably v1.7 to finish fixing every customers skin. By that time the extra skin layer may be out and the issue mute. So, what do I tell them? Wait? I really think it would have been wiser for LL to implement the solution (the extra skin layer) to the problem before creating the problem (no way to remedy retroactive repercussions in an effective way).

I hope they have it fixed by the 5th at the latest. This whole mess just makes me ill, all the work, time we have put into textures. I just can't get over the fact they didn't let us know about this change and have us vote on it

I am a customer. I am unhappy, to put it mildly. I bought the Second Skins Labs skins because they were so flexible. Now I am looking at useless makeup and tattoos...are the Lindens going to refund my investment or will they fix this FAST?????

Katva-an unhappy camper