Texture Permission Change: Thoughts?

It came to my attention today, unfortunately only today, that the following is implemented into 1.6:

* You can no longer use (no copy) or (no transfer) textures for parcel snapshots, or to create clothing, skins, etc.

Though I doubt that had I brought it up yesterday, 1.6 would have been delayed again, this is a very iffy change that's making me wince. I tested it just now, in 1.6 RC2 preview, and I fear it's true. What does the above change mean? From what I can tell, any texture that is not Copy/Transfer, cannot be used in a SKIN(and clothing).

I tested it with a no trans skin on an alt, and with a no trans head tattoo(texture). They were both Copy, however. The texture did not come up as an option to apply to the head tattoo slot.

For you skin makers out there that may rely on this feature, beware. As of now, I plan to pull my makeups off the shelf if the same inability to use no transfer textures on skins exists, after the grid is up.

I really don't know what I'm going to do if this change is retro-active... there are tons of people who have bought makeups/beards from me that will suddenly have a totally broken product.

When and if I actually succeed in logging in, I'll see about this first hand. If it is so, and it is retroactive, then it is going to cause a lot of people serious grief - everyone I've sold skins to

I'll hope for the best, but expect the worst, and will take down vendors in the mean time.

I'm not looking forward to the possible backlash from customers, from this. I can see my buffered IMs now:

"Hi, I bought your skin, but I can't change my makeup!!"

Which would suck for two reasons:
- The grief my customers will be put through over what used to be a very simple and enjoyable item.
- Swamping sellers with angry customers who may not understand it's not OUR fault.

I don't think this is quite as scary as it sounds. I'm prety sure all it means is that you can't take an existing texture that's already set to no-copy or no-transfer and use it for a purpose for which it was not intended. In other wrods if I give you a picture of my shiny new tattoo, you can't make your own tattoo out of it unless I give you full perms on it.

Everyone is still free to use their own textures to make skins, clothing, etc. and then set the ITEM to no-copy or no-transfer, regardless of the texture that is on it. In other words, not much is different than before.

Right - but this IS a problem. I *sell* textures that are Mod/Copy/No Trans that people, so far, have been able to use in Tattoo slots(with bodyskins I've created, that are alsy Mod/Copy/No Trans), as I have intended. I based my entire skin-selling model on it. I was given a permission system to work with, and functionality with that system has now decreased. I do not want to sell textures with full permissions to begin with.

MAD to!!

Before I jump to conclusions on this, I am expecting an answer to a few questions regarding this in the LL hotline forum. I will wait for that answer before I pass final judgement.

I got my answer from Don Linden, and it seems we (skin and clothing designers) are NOT Ok, I still need to confirm this firsthand:

This was in the release notes, I don't think it showed up in the TOS...

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Does this mean that I can no longer create textures and set them to Mod/Copy/No Transfer for use on the avatar?


If you set a texture to next-owner (no transfer), and give it to someone else, that person will no longer be able to use that texture to create clothing or a skin.

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Or does this mean that textures in general that I recieve as Mod/Copy/No Transfer, or Mod/No Copy/Transfer are locked in terms of my using them on skins or clothing?


Correct, you will not be able to use a texture you do not have copy or transfer permissions for clothing or skins.

These limits are also in effect for land parcel snapshots.
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Don

I'm wondering if this is going to affect other things besides clothing. I bought a stone texture set to use and they are copy/mod/no transfer but do not show up in my texture selection window when I go to apply to a face. I know they are already pre-loaded in my inventory because I can see them in my textures folder and I've opened several of them.

So far, this texture permission affects: Parcel Snapshots, Clothing, & Skins(tattoo slots) at the least.

I wonder if skin outfits work as no transfer still?

Guess I'll have to change my tag line below to "Experience frustration and complete lack of choice"

It seems to me that the way to fix it is to simply have skins or clothing items created by the end user of a purchased texture pick up the mod rights of the texture. NOT disable the texture's use.

So essentially if you make tattoo textures or makeup textures, you have NO CHOICE but to either grant people copy AND transfer rights (so you may sell them once but they will then be ALL OVER WORLD for everyone else in no time) OR you have to prepackage them for users.

Makes a lot more sense to have the user-created skins/clothes pick up the mod rights of the textures used than to do this, and ruin the business of everyone who makes makeup/addons/tattoo textures.

:|

This is sickening! Seems I suddenly have no business in SL, if this is the case.

Yup, screws me too Way to go LL! I'll be sending you the bill for all the refund requests I get.

Sezmra, can you still edit this thread's original post to create a poll?

Not that I can see, Namssor. I guess I had hoped when I posted it that I was half-hallucinating about what I'd found. *laughs*

Feel free to start a poll!(and reference this thread, or your hotline threads, etc, if you like)

I just want to clarify: I am NOT saying to set your textures to all rights.. PLEASE DON'T - that would only be screwing yourself! I am saying with the new system if you want to sell textures for people to use as tattoos, that they have given you no other choice. You can't sell a texture and let someone DECIDE if they want it on a particular clothing layer, or mix and match textures in their skins, etc. With the system as it is, you need to provide it on many layers - and hope they have no desire to mix and match. :|

It would be nice to get an explanation as to WHY they did this. It screws over so many that it is going to need to be a dueced good reason, too.

Until then, WTF Mate?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

YES WHY??????!!!!!!!!

Sezmra, now that I think about it, having people go directly to the Lindens will get faster results. I just logged out of SL after exhausting myself in a never-ending stream of IM's about texture problems. It's unfortunate that this forum only represents approximately 10% of the SL population. I think I will have better luck telling my skin customers to file a complaint with the Lindens since more than 10% of the SL population owns one or more of my skins. If they don't fix the problem, then they only hurt themselves in the long run.

You may be right, Namssor.

I'm sure many designers will come under fire over this, as customers may assume it's the designer's fault - we'll have to redirect them right back to LL. I'm not sure we can do anything else, besides halting designs/sales, at this point. :\

My new shop look at Boardman Open-air Market, which is currently my only self owned shop parcel.




Now I'm off to put up my NOTICE sign, where all my vendors currently are. After I remove the vendor, of course. *huge sigh*

I did take all my boxes off sale.. this is so sad.. if it doesn't get resolved by LL. I will have to go thru my stock and make all possible garments from the tat textures & stuff them in the boxes. What a chore!!!