Poser clothes being sold in SL?

It feels to me like it might be fairer to disclose if the item you sell is not an original but I am not sure. I would love to have input from some artist/designers who sell original designs to get their read on it.

My first question is: Are you missing the point of this post? People are buying items from sites like Renderosity for personal use. They are then uploading them, unaltered, to SL for COMMERCIAL use. This is not only a break of LL's TOS, but is also against US laws.

So, it doesn't seem at all that V is "jealous" that they didn't think of being a fraudulent "designer," or upset that they can't do it themself (anyone can cut/paste, and with the horrible quality of the uploaded rips in SL, it seems that's all some "designers" are capable of).

Do not, in any way, give credit where credit is NOT due. When you claim that a designer's work is "the best in sl," make sure you credit the professional artist who created the work. I'm sure you can find their name on the site it was ripped from.

Having a degree in graphic arts, I am fully aware of copyright laws. Renderosity's own Licensing information can be read here: LINK
To put it bluntly, you cannot distribute your purchase unaltered. And fitting to the SL template does not count.

Furthermore, being an artist and designer myself, it is quite frustrating to see "designers" uploading work that is not theirs, only to bask in the fandom of so many unknowing customers.

I am sorry, but you have been fooled.

First of all,my question is,are you soo bored you need to tear down what people do in SL? Are you sooo jealous that you cannot do it yourself?? Many people put MANY hours into this game. And you sit there and pout cause you did not think of it first as far as I am concerned, so you are trying to take down the people who did. And no, you did not use names, but "V" sure did he/she {sorry not sure} used SL names in his/her http's. Now, you talk about TOS...he/she broke that right there. And for the biggest record, HER CLOTHS/SKINS ARE THE BEST IN SL! So get off the keyboard if all you have to do is try to take everyone out. It is sickning already. And that goes for those doing the very same thing at this moment.

And By the way, i think most creators are motivated not by by money and an income as some people might think but just a Crucial put it : "i make clothes because i absolutely love to make clothes this is my fun this is my reason for being in second life. so i can have an out let for my imagination"
Ill be making a point to come and see Your designs also Crucial! sim sure others who read Your post will also.

No, you didn't mention anyone by name, but you did imply (maybe unintentionally, maybe not) that everyone must be doing it. I don't know if that's the message you intended to send, but it's certainly the one that was received. By saying things like you don't believe that hundreds of store owners would be capable of creating clothing of the caliber that they do, unless their stuff is stolen, you have insulted all of us. As I said in my previous post, yes, we really are that good, and it's a bit disgusting that you would assume otherwise of anyone.

If you know that a certain individual is a plagiarist, that's one thing, and that person should obviously be shut down. However, when you talk about "so many hundreds," it's pretty obvious you mean everyone. That's just wrong.

I just don't understand why you have to assume the worst. Why can't you accept first that the people in the SL community could be just as talented as people in the Poser community, and then aim your comments at the very few who might be pretending to be better than they are? You do realize those Poser clothes you revere so highly were created by human beings, some professional digital artists, some just talented amateurs, right? In other words, they're just like all of us in SL; you do understand that? And as I said, many people do both, so some of those clothing items you've found in both communities could well have been made by the same people. Had you considered that?

Saying people couldn't be offended unless their own nerves were plucked, thereby implying that those offended must be guilty, is just plain lunacy. Remember that book we all had to read in middle school, The Chocolate War? Well, the author made a great point through the words of the chief villain, Archie. He said, "If you want to get under a guy's skin, accuse him of being something he's not. Otherwise, you're just telling him something he already knows." If you want further proof of that concept, I'll share a personal story. When I was growing up, a good friend of my mother's was a high ranking detective on the local police force. I remember he once said it's usually pretty easy to tell if you've got the wrong man in your jail. If you accuse an innocent man, he stays up all night worrying about it, and in the morning he's a wreck. However, if you've got a guilty man, he goes to sleep that night. (This was also mentioned in the movie, The Usual Suspects, if you recall) You see, the guilty man has only been told what he already knows, so his behavior is unaffected, but the innocent man really has a problem on his hands. Having been accused of being something he's not, he's been hurt, he's offended, he's scared, and he’s worried. His behavior will reflect as much, just as does the behavior of those of us who were offended by your post. You've baselessly accused us all en mass, which has a great many of us hurt and offended. It's extremely naive and more than a bit insensitive of you not to see that.


I take issue with the notion that it was simple, since you were so accusatory for no good reason, but I'll address the questions.


Of course. That's how it works for texturing ANY 3D character. The mesh that constitutes the surface of the model is made up of lines called UV's. Translated to a 2D canvas, the UV's form a template. Paint on that template and apply it to the model, and you've got clothing, decals, tattoos, or whatever it is you wanted to paint. Apply an alpha channel and you've got transparency. Use a layered shader and you can allow for multiple levels constituting skin, underwear, clothing, etc. 3D modeling is 3D modeling. These are universal concepts that have been in place for decades, and they will be the same in anything from SL to Poser to 3DSMax to Maya to any other 3D modeling package on the market today.

That in no way means that to make something that looks good in one application you have to steal it from another though. That's just ludicrous.


Possibly, but chances are if someone has the skills to convincingly adjust a Poser-templated piece of clothing to seamlessly match the SL templates, then he or she also possesses the skills to do it from scratch. It is the same exact skill set after all. I'm sure there are those out there who do this, just as there are people who do all kinds of bizarre things, but it's hardly the norm.


If it's really all you wanted to know, you could simply have asked. There was no need to spout about how "it just didnt make sense to me how so many people were able to create that level of quality..." and how "now it does" after you've developed you thievery theory. You weren't asking a question there, and you know it. You were blatantly making accusations.


Already answered, but I'll have one more go at it. You accused all of us. Naturally we're all offended by that. Those of us who are not guilty, which I estimate to be about 99.99% of us, are the ones who are most offended.



Then you should have said that. Nowhere in your original post did you say anything of the kind.


I would have been, had you not sounded so blanketly accusatory. Of course I'm behind anyone who wants to combat plagiarism, but I cannot and will not support anyone who believes the way to do it is to shake the accusation tree just to see who falls off.


I think you hit the nail on the head right there. Since you're not a designer, you really don't understand what it takes to do it. You don't really know whether changing a Poser template to match an SL template is any easier or harder than doing it from scratch. You just saw two things that looked vaguely similar, you put two and two together, and you assumed you'd stumbled across some sort of cheat sheet. Then instead of just asking, "Hey, is it possible that this is going on?" you assumed that it must be, and that there must be a lot of people doing it.

Let me put it this way. If you want to put Ford wheel onto a Chevy, it might look at first glance like a simple task. A wheel is a wheel, right? I mean it's round, it's got a tire, it's got a few holes for lug nuts; it must be the same. Oh, what's that you say? They're not quite the same, are they? Upon closer inspection, it's evident the holes are not in the same place for both makes, and one's a little bigger than the other. Okay, no big deal, any machinist with a shop full of metal-working tools and machines could make it work, right? Sure, he could, but he could also just make his own wheel from scratch out of a block of metal and that would work too, just as well. He wouldn't have to start with the Ford wheel to make the Chevy wheel, right? No need to assume then that if he's got a home-made Chevy wheel, he must have modified a Ford wheel to do it. He could have done either just as easily. If you want to know which it was, all you'd need to do is politely ask, "Did you do it this way or that way?" What you wouldn't do is demandingly state, "I know how you did that. All these shops full of wheels, I couldn't understand how they all get them to fit on Chevy cars, but now I do. You see Fords have wheels too, and I just discovered that all you have to do is spend a few hours retooling one and you've got a Chevy wheel. That's what you did, right? You stole all those wheels from Ford; I know it. Wait a minute, you're offended? How can you be offended? I was just asking a question." Then you get hit over the head with a large, heavy lug wrench.


As I said, you really don't know what you're talking about here. Since you're admittedly not a designer, why don't you try the following experiment? Take one of those Poser shirts and see how long it takes you to make it seamlessly fit the SL template (seamlessly is the active word here, since we are talking about high quality, right? Now, just grab a blank SL template, and paint a shirt on it. Which was quicker? They probably both took you a long time. Well, if you were experienced, they'd take less time, obviously, but they'd both still take considerable effort to make look right.

So, COULD someone do what you're saying? Absolutely. WOULD they? Maybe, maybe not. It's a lot of work either way. In many cases, modifying an existing image is much harder than making a new one. In other cases it's easier. As I said before, if someone has the skills to do one, they've most certainly got the skills to do the other. Most of the time, it's safe to assume that people are doing their own work.


Well, thanks for the apology. Just please keep in mind that, as I said, modification isn't necessarily easier than new creation, so you'd do well not to assume that it is. Also, I'd appreciate it (as I'm sure would others) if you'd find a way to ask questions without making assumptions about what other people might or might not be doing. The purpose of a question is to find answers, not to assume them, so if your aim is to ask, then you must make it clear that you have no preconceptions. Saying something to the effect of "I'm not an expert on this, but I've made a few observations, and I'm wondering, am I right to think that this might be happening?" would have been much more poignant and much less offensive than the way you put it, which was more or less "I couldn't believe that so many people could do this so well, and now I understand that they all must be cheating, so now it makes sense."

Anyway, apology accepted. I hope my answers to your actual questions were helpful.

i have a question...I have several paint/photo programs that came with some really great texture samples along with some i have downlaoded from free texture websites....

...I have seen some of them in Second Life in someone's store (unaltered from their orignal state) and was wondering if i have a right to upload these same textures too. I mean, i will just be doing the same thing they did..uploading these textures and saving my lindens for other uses....clothes...

First of all,my question is,are you soo bored you need to tear down what people do in SL? Are you sooo jealous that you cannot do it yourself?? Many people put MANY hours into this game.