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Maxx Mackenzie
... and a bottle of rum
Join date: 30 Jul 2004
Posts: 208
04-22-2006 17:44
From: Nolan Nash
Quit sexually harassing me you pig! Go to Dell!


*spills drink all over the monitor*

ok that's it, i'm AR'ing you for making me laugh my drink out my nose xD
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Absolutely Relative
Join date: 15 Dec 2004
Posts: 1,211
external model file format support
04-22-2006 17:56
From: SuezanneC Baskerville
I empathize with the dissatisfaction of both dissatisfied posters. I wish I could offer some comforting advice, but I can't think of any.
Really, the only comfort is to hang on and wait for SL to go open-source or, at least, open up the avatar/prim-object model file format to allow external modelling. Supposedly, Strife Onizuka knows it but won't release it...

SL really needs to be more open to other formats. It should at least allow importing of at least, say, 3DS models (which are fairly common) which don't need to have any LOD, physics (though it would be trivial to just put a single bounding box around the whole thing), or interation (though not that hard to at least add full-object color/scale/alpha/texture ability, limited script functionality that acts like on a single prim vs. linked object, etc).

It's definitely doable relatively easily, and it'd let people retain better rights to what they create. Wouldn't be that hard to dump a prim's parameters to recreate later, either.
nimrod Yaffle
Cavemen are people too...
Join date: 15 Nov 2004
Posts: 3,146
04-22-2006 17:57
Elvawin Rainbow
Registered User
Join date: 30 Aug 2005
Posts: 172
04-22-2006 18:13
From: Starax Statosky
Yeah!, and my heaven might be me screaming in agony and hopping over flames. While a big red guy pokes me with a fork. Oh yah!!!

Perhaps God will send me to heaven to punish me.

Reverse psychology!!! I've got the big guy figured out!!

Bah you think you got problems? I built a 55 meter statue and I'm already in hell doing the quaternion math trying to get him to dance. He's gotten us banned from 3 clubs already for squishing the othe patrons the klutz
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Andy Grant
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Join date: 20 May 2005
Posts: 140
04-22-2006 18:19
From: Monique Mistral

The idiotic economy, which is all about the supply side of things - the all-pervading "if you don't "create" content go to hell" mentality. What happened to take pride in one's work, even if it was "just" manual labour? SL is just full of things nobody wants or needs, and in the end you cannot keep anyone interested in things that don't do anything for your game character. SL doesn't even have a basic needs and moods mechanic - the very basis of what defines an economy - now, how silly is that for a game which promises an immersive and complex reality? A glorified chatroom, that's all it is.


Idiot-economy in SL is by it's nature a impossibility.

In real life you can just put some capital on oilwells or mines when you see a technical breakthrough on demand trend going the right way. And sleep on it while making profit. Unlike that primitive structure, in sl theres a higher need for creativity because there are no raw material supply/demand issues to get things going, so the only moneymaker is the creativity, and it can sometimes consume realy alot more time than it's worth. But i wouldn't call that idiotic economy, thats what we have in real life. "Idiot" as in Ancient Greek was often stated: to people who were overly concerned with their own self-interest and ignored the needs of the community. So i'd say Federal Reserve and Wallstreet can qualify as Idioteconomies. In SL the profits are too additcted of the needs of the community. SL is exacly the oposite of a idiot-economy :)
MagicJustSue Kojima
Registered User
Join date: 30 Mar 2004
Posts: 110
04-22-2006 19:36
Okay, I don't post much, but for some reason, reading this post when it got to the heaven and hell part, reminded me of the Jean Paul Sartre novel "No Exit." I really need to read that agan. ;)
Fade Languish
I just build stuff...
Join date: 20 Oct 2005
Posts: 1,760
04-22-2006 23:02
I don't really understand people who come to the forums saying how much they hate SL and how much it sucks. I just don't get what they're trying to achieve, are they on some evangelical mission to make the rest of us hate it too? Are they hoping we'll see the folly of our ways, and say, "oh yeah, SL does suck, thanks for opening my eyes!". Or are they just wanting to share their misery?

Why do what you don't enjoy? And why bring the rest of us down?
Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,506
04-23-2006 00:15
From: Fade Languish
I don't really understand people who come to the forums saying how much they hate SL and how much it sucks. I just don't get what they're trying to achieve, are they on some evangelical mission to make the rest of us hate it too? Are they hoping we'll see the folly of our ways, and say, "oh yeah, SL does suck, thanks for opening my eyes!". Or are they just wanting to share their misery?

Why do what you don't enjoy? And why bring the rest of us down?


Well, see, it really sucks because what happens is, Philip Rosedale comes to their houses, right, and he's always packing heat and carrying a bigass backpack. Some days he'll go all out and it'll be a Kalashnikov. Other times he's phoning it in and only comes with a 9mm. In any case, what he does is, he comes to their houses and puts the barrel of his piece right up against their temple.

Really.

Like, right up on it. So they're sitting there in front of their computers and Philip, he says "Do you want to live today?"

And by this point these poor bastards are trembling uncontrollably because here's this guy with a flock of seagulls haircut showing up at their house wearing a rainbow codpiece and he's holding a gun to their face asking if they want to live and, implicitly, suggesting that there is a good chance they will not.

So of course, tears beginning to stream down their faces, these guys reply in the affirmative. Then Philip proceeds to grill them about their system configuration. When found lacking, he reaches into his backpack and pulls out a video card, sometimes some RAM. At gun point, Philip instructs his victim to install the hardware. And this is pretty tough because, you know, gun pointed inches from their face, tears streaming out of their eyes, noses running, choking back the sobs of dire intimidation, they're pretty broken up as it is. Many of these people don't even have much technical expertise, so all of the above combined with the unaccustomed frustration of installing hardware in their PCs really throws them over the edge.

Philip knows how to play them, though, and he begins to tone down the toughguy bravado with a more wheedling, yet firm tack explaining that no, he really doesn't want to hurt anyone, but he will if he absolutely has to and that the sooner this hardware upgrade is completed, the sooner he can get what he wants and get the hell out of there.

Thus encouraged, the hardware upgrade proceeds and the PC is rebooted. All the while, the gun remains leveled at the face of the victim. Philip begins pacing at this point, muttering about the difficulty of building the metaverse and the challenges of making people understand. The victim just wants to live, so they don't say anything unless Philip makes it absolutely clear he expects a response.

Fresh drivers installed from a USB Flash drive Philip keeps on his keyring, he gets down to business.

"All right. You're going to install Second Life," he says to them, an absurd calm in his voice. He pauses for effect and straightens his gun barrel.

"S-ss-second wwhat?"

"Second Life! Pay attention to me," the executive begins as he guides his victim through the process of download and installation.

With the client installed and registration completed, Philip finally allows himself to relax and has a seat. He has yet again incremented the total resident counter and feels much more at ease. The gun remains leveled, just the same.

"What do I do now?" The victim looks, terrified and seeking, at Philip.

They always ask this, Philip thinks. Stupid, stupid question. As always, it throws him into a rage.

"What do you do in your first life? What does anyone do?! Do whatever you want!"

"I want... I want you to stop pointing that at me!"

"Then I guess you'd better get going, hadn't you?"

And then he stares grimly as the victim begins the run through orientation island. After another hour, the victim teleports out onto the grid. Beginning to relax, the victim is almost intrigued by the new experience. Almost, but not quite, as the survival instinct triggered by the gun is still providing quite a distraction. Invariably, the victim finds something cool to wear. But it costs money.

"How do I make money in this game," asks the victim, almost brightly, the tears and mucous now dried in a thin sheen down the face.

This, of course, is the wrong question, and Philip's eyes and nostrils flare. In a flash, he is up out of his seat, raising his weapon. The butt of his rifle or pistol slams brutally into the cheek of the victim and a bright, shining droplet of blood issues from the corner of the mouth.

"Call it a game again. I dare you," growls Rosedale, his teeth gritted in a primal fury that overpowers him almost every time.

"It-it's not a game?" The victim is choking back tears again, terrified and smarting from the blow.

"It's not a game." Rosedale agrees as he levels the barrel again but, seeing the time on his watch, he thinks better of it and withdraws the weapon, either holstering it or, in the case of the Kalashnikov, allowing it to dangle dramatically on its shoulder strap across his chest.

"I'll be back to check on you," he rasps through his teeth.


So, this right here is why people post this kind of stuff. You would do well to be sensitive to their harrowing experience. Come on now.
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Spinner Poutine
Still rezzin or am I
Join date: 28 Oct 2005
Posts: 583
04-23-2006 00:27
From: Enabran Templar
Well, see, it really sucks because what happens is, Philip Rosedale comes to their houses, right, and he's always packing heat and carrying a bigass backpack. Some days he'll go all out and it'll be a Kalashnikov. Other times he's phoning it in and only comes with a 9mm. In any case, what he does is, he comes to their houses and puts the barrel of his piece right up against their temple.

Really.

Like, right up on it. So they're sitting there in front of their computers and Philip, he says "Do you want to live today?"

And by this point these poor bastards are trembling uncontrollably because here's this guy with a flock of seagulls haircut showing up at their house wearing a rainbow codpiece and he's holding a gun to their face asking if they want to live and, implicitly, suggesting that there is a good chance they will not.

So of course, tears beginning to stream down their faces, these guys reply in the affirmative. Then Philip proceeds to grill them about their system configuration. When found lacking, he reaches into his backpack and pulls out a video card, sometimes some RAM. At gun point, Philip instructs his victim to install the hardware. And this is pretty tough because, you know, gun pointed inches from their face, tears streaming out of their eyes, noses running, choking back the sobs of dire intimidation, they're pretty broken up as it is. Many of these people don't even have much technical expertise, so all of the above combined with the unaccustomed frustration of installing hardware in their PCs really throws them over the edge.

Philip knows how to play them, though, and he begins to tone down the toughguy bravado with a more wheedling, yet firm tack explaining that no, he really doesn't want to hurt anyone, but he will if he absolutely has to and that the sooner this hardware upgrade is completed, the sooner he can get what he wants and get the hell out of there.

Thus encouraged, the hardware upgrade proceeds and the PC is rebooted. All the while, the gun remains leveled at the face of the victim. Philip begins pacing at this point, muttering about the difficulty of building the metaverse and the challenges of making people understand. The victim just wants to live, so they don't say anything unless Philip makes it absolutely clear he expects a response.

Fresh drivers installed from a USB Flash drive Philip keeps on his keyring, he gets down to business.

"All right. You're going to install Second Life," he says to them, an absurd calm in his voice. He pauses for effect and straightens his gun barrel.

"S-ss-second wwhat?"

"Second Life! Pay attention to me," the executive begins as he guides his victim through the process of download and installation.

With the client installed and registration completed, Philip finally allows himself to relax and has a seat. He has yet again incremented the total resident counter and feels much more at ease. The gun remains leveled, just the same.

"What do I do now?" The victim looks, terrified and seeking, at Philip.

They always ask this, Philip thinks. Stupid, stupid question. As always, it throws him into a rage.

"What do you do in your first life? What does anyone do?! Do whatever you want!"

"I want... I want you to stop pointing that at me!"

"Then I guess you'd better get going, hadn't you?"

And then he stares grimly as the victim begins the run through orientation island. After another hour, the victim teleports out onto the grid. Beginning to relax, the victim is almost intrigued by the new experience. Almost, but not quite, as the survival instinct triggered by the gun is still providing quite a distraction. Invariably, the victim finds something cool to wear. But it costs money.

"How do I make money in this game," asks the victim, almost brightly, the tears and mucous now dried in a thin sheen down the face.

This, of course, is the wrong question, and Philip's eyes and nostrils flare. In a flash, he is up out of his seat, raising his weapon. The butt of his rifle or pistol slams brutally into the cheek of the victim and a bright, shining droplet of blood issues from the corner of the mouth.

"Call it a game again. I dare you," growls Rosedale, his teeth gritted in a primal fury that overpowers him almost every time.

"It-it's not a game?" The victim is choking back tears again, terrified and smarting from the blow.

"It's not a game." Rosedale agrees as he levels the barrel again but, seeing the time on his watch, he thinks better of it and withdraws the weapon, either holstering it or, in the case of the Kalashnikov, allowing it to dangle dramatically on its shoulder strap across his chest.

"I'll be back to check on you," he rasps through his teeth.


So, this right here is why people post this kind of stuff. You would do well to be sensitive to their harrowing experience. Come on now.

LMFAO...Thanks /wipes soda from nose
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Fade Languish
I just build stuff...
Join date: 20 Oct 2005
Posts: 1,760
04-23-2006 00:30
From: Enabran Templar
You would do well to be sensitive to their harrowing experience. Come on now.


You're right Enabran, I should have more compassion for the downtrodden and tyrannised.

/me is suitably chastened.
Siggy Romulus
DILLIGAF
Join date: 22 Sep 2003
Posts: 5,711
04-23-2006 01:08
From: nimrod Yaffle


Is that Barnsworth in that pic? He's the greatest enemy?
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I, for one, am highly un-helped by this thread
Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,506
04-23-2006 01:13
From: Siggy Romulus
Is that Barnsworth in that pic? He's the greatest enemy?


It is indeed, back when he was working for Dell.
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Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court.


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Marcus Moreau
frand
Join date: 25 Dec 2004
Posts: 602
04-23-2006 03:25
From: Enabran Templar
So, this right here is why people post this kind of stuff. You would do well to be sensitive to their harrowing experience. Come on now.


This happened to me - I swear. Only he made me dress up in club gear and wear these jewelry pieces that shined really brightly and I had to dance and hit on these really really hot avi chicks. Then he made me dress up like an anthropomorphized fox and put on a fake penis and then wield a lightsaber and go around "killing" people and laughing. He also made me log on to the forums and post this.

HELP!

MM
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Marcus Moreau

Disenfranchised island owner...

"This statement is false."
User #121869 or something close
Usagi Musashi
UM ™®
Join date: 24 Oct 2004
Posts: 6,083
04-23-2006 06:02
From: Monique Mistral
That's all I had to say. Now, go on and trash this post for its utter irrelevance in relation to bandwith wasted.



:D You know the trolls on sl :rolleyes: Well no really we al have that time we can`t stand the way LLabs does things. frankly its become more of a all boys network of such....In the linden camp. The days where relible LLabs staff specially on this forum are at a all time low. But what are you going to do? These days i Just deal withthe rabbit crap and do what i do best on sl.........If people LLabs needs to use/push and totally emotionally stress people with this game with ways they run this game. Then in time they will run it in the gound with bad staff and support........Its the law of business if you put people in places they don`t belong your going to fail in time.
Monique Mistral
Pink Plastic Flamingo
Join date: 14 Oct 2005
Posts: 167
04-23-2006 06:09
From: Enabran Templar
"How do I make money in this game," asks the victim, almost brightly, the tears and mucous now dried in a thin sheen down the face.

This, of course, is the wrong question, and Philip's eyes and nostrils flare. In a flash, he is up out of his seat, raising his weapon. The butt of his rifle or pistol slams brutally into the cheek of the victim and a bright, shining droplet of blood issues from the corner of the mouth.

"Call it a game again. I dare you," growls Rosedale, his teeth gritted in a primal fury that overpowers him almost every time.

"It-it's not a game?" The victim is choking back tears again, terrified and smarting from the blow.

"It's not a game."


I remember this moment very well. I'm still traumatized.
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Marcus Moreau
frand
Join date: 25 Dec 2004
Posts: 602
04-23-2006 06:09
From: Usagi Musashi
:D You know the trolls on sl :rolleyes:


The problem with trolls is that they regenerate after you kill them. The only way to truly get rid of them is with fire. Maybe they should have a new corn field for trolls but instead just have it a big volcano pit instead of corn...

MM
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Marcus Moreau

Disenfranchised island owner...

"This statement is false."
User #121869 or something close
Monique Mistral
Pink Plastic Flamingo
Join date: 14 Oct 2005
Posts: 167
04-23-2006 06:16
From: Fade Languish
Are they hoping we'll see the folly of our ways, and say, "oh yeah, SL does suck, thanks for opening my eyes!". Or are they just wanting to share their misery?


Both. The kettle did boil over.

From: someone
Why do what you don't enjoy? And why bring the rest of us down?


Because I'm a forum troll! Hmpf! *Demonstratively puts nose in the air*
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Chie Salome
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Join date: 19 May 2005
Posts: 221
04-23-2006 06:51
I think there are four types of people.

A) Those who complain loudly about something but never lift a finger to improve it
B) Those who whine a lot and then get off to work to make things bearable
C) Those who never speak out and just fade away, contributing to the total number of Residents
D) Those who don't make much negative comments because they are busy working or enjoying what they have

I'm less than one year old in SL but even when I was just starting out I could see that the world had been made so rich thanks to group B and D. I feel kind of sorry for group C, but honestly I can't care less about group A.
Eep Quirk
Absolutely Relative
Join date: 15 Dec 2004
Posts: 1,211
04-23-2006 07:02
Group A influences group B to create things for group D that group C never got a chance to play with.
Usagi Musashi
UM ™®
Join date: 24 Oct 2004
Posts: 6,083
04-23-2006 07:17
From: Marcus Moreau
The problem with trolls is that they regenerate after you kill them. The only way to truly get rid of them is with fire. Maybe they should have a new corn field for trolls but instead just have it a big volcano pit instead of corn...

MM


I believe the lindens are creating a new linden specially for he corn field :p
Yiffy Yaffle
Purple SpiritWolf Mystic
Join date: 22 Oct 2004
Posts: 2,802
04-23-2006 07:19
*flick*

Fire! Raaaaaa!!!
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Usagi Musashi
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04-23-2006 07:26
From: Chie Salome
I think there are four types of people.

A) Those who complain loudly about something but never lift a finger to improve it
B) Those who whine a lot and then get off to work to make things bearable
C) Those who never speak out and just fade away, contributing to the total number of Residents
D) Those who don't make much negative comments because they are busy working or enjoying what they have

I'm less than one year old in SL but even when I was just starting out I could see that the world had been made so rich thanks to group B and D. I feel kind of sorry for group C, but honestly I can't care less about group A.


Do us a fav then.................keep up putting your thoughts in the same end of the straw where the out come is the same outcome.

Really as you know people are from all over the world here. different thought for differnt people.........This sounds more like a remarks i hear alot in my rl work. People always say this and that about the japanese system business, but instead of learning a new system they have to cry about this system does not work.....Gesh learning from others and taking their remarks in a constructive way is what sharing is about. To bashing and generalizing........Ben inthe game since 2004 Oct......Do i crab how the game is run yes.why? because i care about the game......Do leave? NO! why? because i love it here.....But then again many are here to take and not give back......Just like rl.....
Usagi Musashi
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Posts: 6,083
04-23-2006 07:28
From: Yiffy Yaffle
*flick*

Fire! Raaaaaa!!!


WHERE call a resmod :D
Ranma Tardis
沖縄弛緩の明確で青い水
Join date: 8 Nov 2005
Posts: 1,415
04-23-2006 07:53
The problem with Second life is that it is dominated by the content providers at least for now. Thir problem is that there is just only so many ways to do something. Their greed is going to destroy this platform. Please look at this thread.

Community: Second Life Forums > Discussion Forums > Design and Textures
Now I reached the stable point where dont need to buy their gomi objects and my income is enough to pay my tier. You get to see me online until my premium membership expires next year. To the residents that do not like me, go to Dell!
Crissaegrim Clutterbuck
Dancing Martian Warlord
Join date: 9 Apr 2006
Posts: 277
04-23-2006 08:25
From: Enabran Templar
Well, see, it really sucks because what happens is, Philip Rosedale comes to their houses, right, and he's always packing heat.... [unchecked stream-of-consciousness, derivative story-telling, "insider" allusions, off-point or irrelevant criticism, obvious...ness]


Good to see "kontint-kreeashun" in progress in Second Life. ;)
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