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Lorelei Patel
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04-04-2006 09:07
From: Jonquille Noir
I disagree. I say it's very much bigotry, whether we're talking about 1 person or lumping an entire group of people together under one derogatory statement. Just because a lot of people may do it doesn't change the definition of the word or make it any less apt. I'm not going to avoid calling it bigotry for the sake of being PC.


On that PC issue... try calling Arab culture inferior and see who comes out screaming. Double standard?
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Jonquille Noir
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04-04-2006 09:49
From: Lorelei Patel
On that PC issue... try calling Arab culture inferior and see who comes out screaming. Double standard?


Huh? Can you point out anywhere I've ever done that, or even hinted at it. I'll wait.
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04-04-2006 11:46
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As I said, the reason so many hate the United States is because we are acting like a Bully. We try to impose a Republican Conservative Government where people want a liberal government (France, Germany, Britain) Then we say that the World should support George's wars which are illegal anyway...

its no wonder that the world hates the United States... The United States is a Dictatorship
Golly, Magnum. You're completely correct. Escaping Yankee imperialism is at the top of every Texans' day planner. :D
Lorelei Patel
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04-04-2006 12:10
From: Jonquille Noir
Huh? Can you point out anywhere I've ever done that, or even hinted at it. I'll wait.


No, you misunderstand. I was agreeing with you.

The "critiquing culture isn't bigotry" only seems to apply when you talk about the US. Use that in terms of another culture and see what you get.

I wasn't saying that you said that or that anyone did, merely musing what would happen if anyone uttered that.

Apologies!
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Jonquille Noir
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04-04-2006 12:14
Ahh gotcha! Yeah, that's a good point. If half the comments made about the US and Americans were directed toward another country and its entire populous, the PC crowd would wet their pants. Then it would somehow be bigoted.

From: Lorelei Patel
No, you misunderstand. I was agreeing with you.

The "critiquing culture isn't bigotry" only seems to apply when you talk about the US. Use that in terms of another culture and see what you get.

I wasn't saying that you said that or that anyone did, merely musing what would happen if anyone uttered that.

Apologies!
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04-04-2006 12:18
Of course, most "arabs" don't live in the same country or culture at all. It's not exactly comparable.
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04-04-2006 12:25
People in every nation... people in every province... people in every city... in every town... are all ... just ... people.

To feel negatively towards an individual because of their country of origin is no different than to judge them for the color of their skin. We are all just people, living on the same spinning rock, hoping our governments won't kill us all.

I do not agree with the policies of many governments, but do I blame the individual citizen of that nation? Of course not. To do so would be ignorant.

Who cares what nation anyone is from. I want to know the character of the person... not what color their flag is.
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Lorelei Patel
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04-04-2006 12:36
From: Ordinal Malaprop
Of course, most "arabs" don't live in the same country or culture at all. It's not exactly comparable.


Um... These organizations beg to differ:

AL-HEWAR CENTER: The Center for Arab Culture and Dialogue
Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee
Arab Culture and Community Center

Just to name a few.

Anyway, substitute whatever group you want. I still bet that a lot of people who say it's fair game to call American culture inferior would get in a snit if someone said Nigerian or Chinese or Indian or whatever culture was inferior.
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04-04-2006 14:58
From: Jonquille Noir
I disagree. I say it's very much bigotry, whether we're talking about 1 person or lumping an entire group of people together under one derogatory statement. Just because a lot of people may do it doesn't change the definition of the word or make it any less apt. I'm not going to avoid calling it bigotry for the sake of being PC.


We'll have to agree to disagree. I think that's simply too broad. Everyone has some general opinions about groups of people, like political parties for instance. Does it make you a bigot to have those opinions or express them? What if it's a complimentary opinion but still a generalization? What do you call it then?
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Jonquille Noir
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04-04-2006 15:51
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We'll have to agree to disagree. I think that's simply too broad. Everyone has some general opinions about groups of people, like political parties for instance. Does it make you a bigot to have those opinions or express them? What if it's a complimentary opinion but still a generalization? What do you call it then?


A bigot is someone who is intolerant of any groups or opinions other than his/her own, so yeah, by definition someone who makes derogatory sweeping generalizations about any group, be it a nationality, political party, whatever, is a bigot. If there's another word that fits better, I can't think of it. If the word is overused, it's because it's a common practice, but that doesn't change the meaning of the word.

As for a complimentary opinion, no that's not bigotry, because that's not an intolerance.
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04-04-2006 16:33
From: Jonquille Noir
A bigot is someone who is intolerant of any groups or opinions other than his/her own, so yeah, by definition someone who makes derogatory sweeping generalizations about any group, be it a nationality, political party, whatever, is a bigot. If there's another word that fits better, I can't think of it. If the word is overused, it's because it's a common practice, but that doesn't change the meaning of the word.

As for a complimentary opinion, no that's not bigotry, because that's not an intolerance.


By that definition, wouldn't all democrats be bigoted towards republicans, and vice versa? Wouldn't every member of a religion be bigoted towards all members of every other religion? They each have reasons why they belong to one and not the other and chances are good it wouldn't be a compliment. I think bigotry often tends to be in the eye of the beholder.
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04-04-2006 16:40
If the forumgo-ers in this thread had nuclear weapons, we'd be in another world war. Thank god the best these guys can do is just throw unfounded insults at eachother.

Oh and the reason nobody buys american cars is because they're big, handle badly and are basically shit. =P The english can do better with an american engine than what americans can do with it. Go watch some top gear.
But if you want engine yummehness, try germany.
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04-04-2006 17:55
From: Chip Midnight
By that definition, wouldn't all democrats be bigoted towards republicans, and vice versa? Wouldn't every member of a religion be bigoted towards all members of every other religion? They each have reasons why they belong to one and not the other and chances are good it wouldn't be a compliment. I think bigotry often tends to be in the eye of the beholder.


If it lends to intolerance, then yes, it's bigotry. That's what the word means.
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04-04-2006 18:12
The facts are:


We are all human.
We are all infallible.
We are all related.



Like it or not.


Botton line is...

We can either learn to live together as one race, the human race, or we can continue to destoy ourselves with war(violence), hatred, and prejudice.
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04-04-2006 18:16
From: Selene Gregoire
Botton line is...

We can either learn to live together as one race, the human race, or we can continue to destoy ourselves with war(violence), hatred, and prejudice.
I would argue that the bottom line is -- humans are genetically incapable of living peacefully with each other. Period. End of story.

Secondly, my conclusion suggests a much more interesting "history of the human race" than the alternative. Note, I didn't say "better" - but definitely more interesting.
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04-04-2006 18:31
From: Picabo Hedges
I would argue that the bottom line is -- humans are genetically incapable of living peacefully with each other. Period. End of story.

Secondly, my conclusion suggests a much more interesting "history of the human race" than the alternative. Note, I didn't say "better" - but definitely more interesting.




Sorry but you will be arguing with yourself. I will point out that if humans were incapable of living peacefully with each other the human race would have ceased to exist before now. We would have already nuked this planet into oblivion. Unless, of course, something had happened before the advent of atomic and nuclear warfare.

This thread is too long for me to take the time to read them all. I missed whatever post of your's you are referring to so I can't comment on it. If you will provide a link, I'll read it.
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04-04-2006 18:41
From: Selene Gregoire
Sorry but you will be arguing with yourself. I will point out that if humans were incapable of living peacefully with each other the human race would have ceased to exist before now. We would have already nuked this planet into oblivion. Unless, of course, something had happened before the advent of atomic and nuclear warfare.

This thread is too long for me to take the time to read them all. I missed whatever post of your's you are referring to so I can't comment on it. If you will provide a link, I'll read it.

You took my opinion to an unintended extreme. Look around.. decades after the invention of the atom bomb, there is nothing approaching "worldwide peace" - on any level, local, regional, global. That's my point. I reject the 400 year in the future Star Trek-Utopian vision of "humans have progressed to the point where there is no want and thus no need for competition". And I never said that we would blow the world up taking things out on each other.... though I wouldn't be surprised if it did happen accidently.

I didn't make a previous post but one stating this opinion--- and you responded to it.... So, you didn't miss anything to comment on. The post you responded to stands by itself.
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04-04-2006 18:47
From: Picabo Hedges
You took my opinion to an unintended extreme. Look around.. decades after the invention of the atom bomb, there is nothing approaching "worldwide peace" - on any level, local, regional, global. That's my point. I reject the 400 year in the future Star Trek-Utopian vision of "humans have progressed to the point where there is no want and thus no need for competition". And I never said that we would blow the world up taking things out on each other.... though I wouldn't be surprised if it did happen accidently.

I didn't make a previous post but one stating this opinion--- and you responded to it.... So, you didn't miss anything to comment on. The post you responded to stands by itself.




I think you have made a mistake. I did not respond to any post in particular. When I do respond to a particular post I -always- quote it. There are no quotes in my post, the first one you replied directly to on this page...

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I even said I had not read this whole thread. Never said a word about Star Trek either. So you have me sitting here wondering wth this is about.
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04-04-2006 18:54
From: Selene Gregoire
I think you have made a mistake. I did not respond to any post in particular.
You've obviously "lost" the thread. I didn't put words in your mouth. Let's move on.
Selene Gregoire
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04-04-2006 18:58
From: Picabo Hedges
You've obviously "lost" the thread. I didn't put words in your mouth. Let's move on.



Oh ok. I get it now. If you can't dazzle them with brillance, baffle them with bullshit. Gotcha. Moving right along.....
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04-04-2006 20:32
you should read the thread instead.
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04-04-2006 20:33
From: Selene Gregoire
Oh ok. I get it now. If you can't dazzle them with brillance, baffle them with bullshit. Gotcha. Moving right along.....


you should read the thread instead
Selene Gregoire
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04-04-2006 21:06
From: Champie Jack
you should read the thread instead



I read the first 11 pages of it and even posted to it yesterday. Today I skimmed though 9 pages. Read a few posts that caught my attention. I think that is more than sufficent to understand the gist of the thread.
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04-04-2006 21:07
From: Selene Gregoire
We can either learn to live together as one race, the human race, or we can continue to destoy ourselves with war(violence), hatred, and prejudice.


I agree with you, Selene. I think compromises are almost always the best answer. I simply don't believe that a fundamental step toward reaching them should involve trying to pretend that people don't have opinions, many of which we're probably not going to like.
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