After development bonuses are gone
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Martin Magpie
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01-08-2006 19:32
I have been thinking lately about what SL will be like once the Development bonuses stop completly. When ppl no longer recieve the development bonuses how will that change SL? On a related note, doesn't it seem logical that L$ from dwell will soon also be removed? I think it does. I know things will change, I'm just not sure if this will be a positve or a negative impact on things such as the events calendar. I have two questions, I would love to hear from everyone So what do you think it will be like when the Development bonuses are gone? and Do you think they will do away with L$ for Dwell? On a side note, please don't spell check and gramm Ar  check ppl it's kinda rude imo. If I can sound it out you guys are kewl with me  I'm currently in bed writing to you and I could give a shit less if my spelling or gramm Ar  is "proper" or not. LOL ya dig 
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Gabe Lippmann
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01-08-2006 19:35
From: Martin Magpie I'm currently in bed writing to you and I could give a shit less if my spelling or grammer is "proper" or not. LOL ya dig  grammar! Yes, dwell is next to go.
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Martin Magpie
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01-08-2006 19:39
From: Gabe Lippmann grammar! Yes, dwell is next to go.  So what do you think it will be like when the Development bonuses are gone? ps hehe "Phone's ringing, Dude." i do love you gabby 
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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01-08-2006 19:47
Resources will be allocated in a better manner when the developer welfare plan comes to an end.
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01-08-2006 19:53
From: Martin Magpie I'm currently in bed writing to you and I could give a shit less if my spelling or gramm Ar  is "proper" or not. LOL ya dig  How do you explain the rest of the time? (ie: when not in bed)
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Magnum Serpentine
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01-08-2006 20:18
From: SuezanneC Baskerville Resources will be allocated in a better manner when the developer welfare plan comes to an end. Not welfare... DI was promissed to many Sim owners and they were told it would go for quite a while... I think its very sad that the Lindens listen to only the very few who are opposed to DI.
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Enabran Templar
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01-08-2006 20:21
From: Magnum Serpentine DI was promissed to many Sim owners and they were told it would go for quite a while... I think its very sad that the Lindens listen to only the very few who are opposed to DI. Maybe they looked at the campaing chairs and said holy shit, I don't want to pay people real money for that. Do you think maybe that was what they did, Magnum? Or was it the Star Chamber?
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Toy LaFollette
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01-08-2006 20:36
From: Magnum Serpentine Not welfare... DI was promissed to many Sim owners and they were told it would go for quite a while... I think its very sad that the Lindens listen to only the very few who are opposed to DI. it did go on for quite a while and has been abused almost as long, I say farewell to both.
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Eggy Lippmann
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01-08-2006 20:38
After development bonuses are gone, they will go after your DweL$L$ bonus, your $tipend, your 10% group di$count...
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Martin Magpie
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01-08-2006 20:42
From: Enabran Templar How do you explain the rest of the time? (ie: when not in bed) So your allowed to be realy rude and make remarks without breaking the TOS huh? Good too know, I guess I could of said "Up yours" but I won't. 
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Siggy Romulus
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01-08-2006 20:43
I expect it to go on like it did after taxes were introduced.. And after land tier for prims was introduced...
Big uproar for a week - dust settles - life goes on...
I'd revisit that last one PARTICULARLY - as the last mega-outrage I can remember was the 'prim banking' arguments, people yelled till hoarse and when something was introduced to give em just what they wanted...
... they screamed even louder.
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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01-08-2006 20:44
From: Eggy Lippmann After development bonuses are gone, they will go after your DweL$L$ bonus, your $tipend, your 10% group di$count... Oh lord, why can't they just go ahead and get it over with? Dragging it out is like pulling a band-aid off slowly.
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Martin Magpie
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01-08-2006 20:46
From: Magnum Serpentine Not welfare...
DI was promissed to many Sim owners and they were told it would go for quite a while... I think its very sad that the Lindens listen to only the very few who are opposed to DI. I agree with you Magnum I thought it was part of the fabic of SL. It's one major reason I stay. For my competitve side it sure is great to recieve every great once in a while. I hope no islands have to sell off as a result but I know some will. Anytime we lose content I think its a bad thing.
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Travis Lambert
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01-08-2006 20:49
I think ideally, LL would prefer that the community supported events instead of Linden - and is gradually moving in that direction.
Yes, I think Dwell is the next to go.
In the short term, the loss of DI, and eventually Dwell - will mean some sort term pains for those of us who provide events.
In the long term, however - I think it will be a good thing - as the community will support things that appeal to them.
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Martin Magpie
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01-08-2006 20:52
From: Eggy Lippmann After development bonuses are gone, they will go after your DweL$L$ bonus, your $tipend, your 10% group di$count... Ohhh even the 10% Eggy. Seriously all the reasons they created to get ppl interested in SL, they LL is taking away. I understand they need to make a profit. At the same time I see my reasons to pay them lessen with each and every cut. If my cable company decided to give me less channels for the same amount of money I would probably cancel my service. I do not understand how LL can sit by and not see this upsets its clients yet continue to give us less for the same money we spend. That's not good business sence. Dwell was abused, still is. So what happens when dwell does not matter anymore?
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01-08-2006 20:54
From: Toy LaFollette it did go on for quite a while and has been abused almost as long, I say farewell to both. Hi Toy, It is nice to see you say yes to getting rid of them both. Back to the original question, after getting rid of DI, there will be a bunch of virtual terrain with objects scattered about. People will build stuff and write scripts. If they want to make money they will have to work a little hard to to get people to pay them instead of getting the money from the Linden company based on an arbitrary and meaningless formula. For the most part you won't be able to tell any difference at all.
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Martin Magpie
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01-08-2006 20:56
From: Siggy Romulus I expect it to go on like it did after taxes were introduced.. And after land tier for prims was introduced...
Big uproar for a week - dust settles - life goes on...
I'd revisit that last one PARTICULARLY - as the last mega-outrage I can remember was the 'prim banking' arguments, people yelled till hoarse and when something was introduced to give em just what they wanted...
... they screamed even louder. Well they also get pissed and leave, but yes agree. Yes there will be pains and anger but then what? With no dwell what will our grid be like? If eggy is correct about the 10% don't you think that will slow the expansion of the grid?
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Martin Magpie
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01-08-2006 21:01
From: SuezanneC Baskerville Hi Toy, It is nice to see you say yes to getting rid of them both.
Back to the original question, after getting rid of DI, there will be a bunch of virtual terrain with objects scattered about. People will build stuff and write scripts. If they want to make money they will have to work a little hard to to get people to pay them instead of getting the money from the Linden company based on an arbitrary and meaningless formula.
For the most part you won't be able to tell any difference at all. I agreed with your post about the band-aid. Get it over with, hell yes do that over this slow kill bs. This reply is based on stippends also included in your post. If it wasn't then disreguard this opinion Now as for this post I think about the ppl who don't want to work, who want to log on knowing that for logging on they will get social cash to go shopping, go to a casino etc. Those types that have no desire to learn to build or texture or script. They too are customers and consumers. A seperate strictly social/barter grid is looking better and better to me everyday.
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Eggy Lippmann
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01-08-2006 21:31
From: Martin Magpie Well they also get pissed and leave, but yes agree. Yes there will be pains and anger but then what? With no dwell what will our grid be like? If eggy is correct about the 10% don't you think that will slow the expansion of the grid? I just want to add that I don't have any special inside info on this, these are ideas floating around in the community mailing list, that everyone can subscribe to.
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Martin Magpie
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01-08-2006 21:37
From: Eggy Lippmann I just want to add that I don't have any special inside info on this, these are ideas floating around in the community mailing list, that everyone can subscribe to. publish the mailing list Eggy, the more the merrier right 
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01-08-2006 21:42
From: SuezanneC Baskerville Resources will be allocated in a better manner when the developer welfare plan comes to an end. She gets it!!! My work here is bearing fruit.
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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01-08-2006 21:53
From: Jamie Bergman She gets it!!!
My work here is bearing fruit. Excuse me, I have been an anarcho-capitalist since 1971. Your influence on me is limited to absolutely nothing. Grrrr.....
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Eggy Lippmann
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01-08-2006 22:00
From: Martin Magpie publish the mailing list Eggy, the more the merrier right  http://secondlife.com/community/mailinglists.php
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Issarlk Chatnoir
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01-09-2006 03:51
I think the event list will shorten a lot. But that remaining events will be more interesting, and done by people motivated by doing an event ,which could mean a better quality too.
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Alan Kiesler
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01-09-2006 03:55
From: Martin Magpie A seperate strictly social/barter grid is looking better and better to me everyday.
Well, Uru is on its way to have independent development, using Blender wireframes too (see the link at the bottom of my sig). Between that and what Cyan may have in the works, you may have access to that elsewhere than SL/LL.  May even be cheaper than SL too...
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