An Open Letter To Linden Lab
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Argent Stonecutter
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03-23-2006 05:59
From: Weedy Herbst Anyone who does not respect IP and copyright...is a commie. I don't know what country you live in, but I think in this instance the United States... created in part as a testbed for the invisible hand of the market... is a worthwhile reference for how respect for intellectual property should be seen. What does the US Constitution say about IP and Copyright? Does it say that they are a natural right of the individual? Does it even describe them as property? No, it says that they are to be established as a temporary monopoly to promote the development of the arts and sciences. IP is a useful tool, a prop for the market in a place where laissez-faire doesn't work as well as it does elsewhere. That's all.
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Argent Stonecutter
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03-23-2006 06:02
From: Hiro Pendragon 1. What is the difference between an assertion and a comment? More Pie!
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Argent Stonecutter
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03-23-2006 06:07
From: Jopsy Pendragon I brokered a lot of 3 way land deals, helping people shore up their parcel boundaries and pull together their far away in-sim parcels that were bought "just for prims". If I wanted a piece of nearby land for myself, rather than offer to buy it outright... I'd find a nice quality piece of land of equivalent or larger size and just offer to trade. Heh, I just did that and the person I was buying from decided she wanted cash, and the person next to the land I'd bought ended up expanding from 512 to 1536 and I made a new friend... and came out even on the deal.
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Argent Stonecutter
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03-23-2006 06:20
From: Weedy Herbst In a nutshell, the indiscriminant use of land scanners within sims is not good for the overall health of SL and I will be first to admit this. This is why, I made every effort to operate in an ethical and considerate manner. Basically, you're in the same position as honest Usenet sites after the spammers and "bullet proof" news hosters came online. Almost all the small Usenet sites anded up dropping larger and larger parts of Usenet and went offline, and it turned from a collaborative effort distributed over hundreds of thousands of computers into a small network where a few large servers dominate by selling access to porn and pirated software and music. The well was poisoned by the unethical. Linden Labs was having to support the business models of ALL the land scanners, not just you but the scammers as well, and I'm sure it was costing them too much money on customer support. I've been there, on all sides - as a customer, as a vendor, and as the network operator... and any resource that's abused badly enough eventually gets choked off. I'm sorry you got caught in the wheels, but you're by no means the first and you're by no means the worst loser. It's tough, but it's done, it's in the past, and you have to move on.
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Weedy Herbst
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03-23-2006 06:39
From: Argent Stonecutter I'm sorry you got caught in the wheels, but you're by no means the first and you're by no means the worst loser. It's tough, but it's done, it's in the past, and you have to move on. You are right, kinda feels like owning a Mom n Pop shop for years, only to have Wal-Mart move in next door. Forget value-add or quality products, now everyone has access to shoddy goods.
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Eboni Khan
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03-23-2006 07:21
From: Cocoanut Cookie In which case, this resident business will have been GOM'ed, rather than just somewhat crippled. coco Dude is it not a business, it is a free for all. Back before all the assholes started using land scanners regular people bought public land. I used to buy public land in 2004 when I had a day off, build something, and then release it again. Ahh, the good old days. Also once when snow land was still cool I bought extra land from my neighbors who released it after breaking up. Basically all the people snatching up public land and reselling it at high prices, just contributed t fucking everyone else in SL, just as much as Anshe's and Blue's price fixing of auctions and land grabbing and telehub monopolies. So, this isn't some great SL business that got fucked over by the man. These are just people are on the take, trying to make a quick buck who are seeing their opportunity to fuck everyone else over, go away. Good Riddance. Also, comparing this to GOM is bullshit. GOM provided a useful service to many people in SL. These people have done more harm than good.
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Nolan Nash
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03-23-2006 07:27
OMG why are you freaking people still arguing with Weedy? Get a life. Weedy is arguing from an emotional position.
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Lucifer Baphomet
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03-23-2006 07:32
What saddens me is seeing "friends" of Weedys rubbing her nose in this. So much for loyalty, eh?
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Nolan Nash
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03-23-2006 07:33
From: Lucifer Baphomet What saddens me is seeing "friends" of Weedys rubbing her nose in this. So much for loyalty, eh? If you mean me, I was using someone else's words in that post above yours.
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Lucifer Baphomet
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03-23-2006 07:36
Not at all Nolan, I was agreeing with your sentiment.
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Nolan Nash
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03-23-2006 07:36
From: Lucifer Baphomet Not at all Nolan, I was agreeing with your sentiment. Ahhh, I'll shush then. 
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Eboni Khan
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03-23-2006 07:38
From: Nolan Nash OMG why are you freaking people still arguing with Weedy? Get a life. Weedy is arguing from an emotional position. Shut up Nolan. We are arguing with Coconut.
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Nolan Nash
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03-23-2006 07:45
From: Eboni Khan Shut up Nolan. We are arguing with Coconut. You don't get it do you? You made that statement, and then immediately went on to argue with Weedy yourself. Coco agrees with her, so now you're arguing with Weedy by proxy. Just pointing out the glaring irony there, as is my right, despite your control issues. Not that I care a whole heap, I just call 'em like I see 'em. See my sig line for more on this. And no, I wont shut up for someone who is out to try and convince everyone she is oh so hard-ass. Actually, I won't shut up for anyone without "Linden" for a last name. kthxbai
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Kris Ritter
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03-23-2006 07:46
While we're at it, I think they should remove P2P for everyone since it "GOM'ed" ROAM. 
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Cocoanut Cookie
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03-23-2006 08:21
But Eboni, as I pointed out earlier, "regular" people could use land scanners, too. coco
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Argent Stonecutter
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03-23-2006 09:08
From: Weedy Herbst You are right, kinda feels like owning a Mom n Pop shop for years, only to have Wal-Mart move in next door. Forget value-add or quality products, now everyone has access to shoddy goods. More like being the last mom-n-pop left in a neighorhood of crack houses, titty bars, and xxx-video emporiums... that just got razed.
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Argent Stonecutter
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03-23-2006 09:09
From: Eboni Khan Shut up Nolan. We are arguing with Coconut. Wait a second, I thiought this was "getting hit on the head".
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Argent Stonecutter
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03-23-2006 09:11
Bah, humbug, PvP vs P2P.
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Kris Ritter
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03-23-2006 09:26
From: Argent Stonecutter Given how badly P2P works, with multiple non-damage alternate combat systems available, I'm not at all sure it'd make any difference if P2P got wiped. I think you mean PvP? I mean Point to Point Teleporting. Which effectively killed off the ROAM auto-flight system, which was widely agreed to be an excellent and elegant alternative for SL's shortcomings in getting around the grid. I was just wondering aloud how come it's ok to nerf some residents businesses by adding or changing functionality and features without so much as a peep from the community yet its so abhorrant and causes outrage when the self same thing is done to others. Maybe I should have bitched more when they introduced custom anims, too, since suddenly no one wanted to chicken dance with my dance machine any more...
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Cocoanut Cookie
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03-23-2006 09:57
Yes, the P2P roam thing does have me thinking. But so far I haven't figured out how to accomodate this apparent exception to my thinking in my thinking. coco
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Kris Ritter
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03-23-2006 10:22
From: Cocoanut Cookie Yes, the P2P roam thing does have me thinking. But so far I haven't figured out how to accomodate this apparent exception to my thinking in my thinking. coco I'm not trying to get it excepted, really. Whilst I loved ROAM and love Francis more, I'd much rather have P2P. I'm quite sure even Francis and Rathe would rather have P2P even though it effectively killed off the very need for ROAM. Like many things in Second Life, it filled a need while a need existed. ROAM is not an exceptional circumstance by any means. What if LL announced that 1.10 included a new function to swim when you're in water? Should they not do it because Siggy fulfilled peoples wants in that area by creating his excellent Swimmer? There is a simple choice, really, and that is to adapt and diversify and roll with the changes... or shout loudly about them then roll over and die. I guess since Francis and Rathe are talented and adaptable, they didn't feel the need to shout about it. I somehow doubt Siggy would shout very loud if they did add swimming. I wonder how many other people would be loudly opposed? Assuming they're not hypocrites, that is.
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Merwan Marker
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03-23-2006 10:36
From: Einsman Schlegel
--- I have a feeling they've abandoned that ideal, 'for the Community' sense.. and turned it into their own.
It's not Our World, Our Imagination, anymore.
Bingo! 
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Argent Stonecutter
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03-23-2006 10:37
From: Kris Ritter What if LL announced that 1.10 included a new function to swim when you're in water? Should they not do it because Siggy fulfilled peoples wants in that area by creating his excellent Swimmer? If that convinced Siggy to implement an API so landowners could effectively and selectively control swimming on their land, I'd be all for it... *and* I'd buy a Swimmer.
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Memir Quinn
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03-23-2006 10:42
I don't think one would see very much support for Siggy at all from certain quarters, were that to happen Kris. Well unless of course those same said quarters were first told how they should feel about that hypothetical by other quasi-banned individuals. Upside is I think I finally found a sig line. From: Cocoanut Cookie ...so far I haven't figured out how to accomodate this apparent exception to my thinking in my thinking.
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Eboni Khan
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03-23-2006 10:57
From: Nolan Nash And no, I wont shut up for someone who is out to try and convince everyone she is oh so hard-ass. Actually, I won't shut up for anyone without "Linden" for a last name. kthxbai Actually I was just entertaining myself while my server in WoW was down. I don't need to impress people on the internet, I was popular in High School.
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