Bye Bye DI!!
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FlipperPA Peregrine
Magically Delicious!
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02-18-2006 08:39
I received DIs every month since they started counting group land towards it, and I am also happy to see it go. Its being gamed, and as LL gets bigger and bigger, I want them to have less and less to do with anything outside of software development. LL's community team should listen to the community about what kind of tools the community wants to build the world themselves, not to fund the world and play cop / mayor.
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Demian Caldera
..ya, that too...
Join date: 8 Jun 2004
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02-18-2006 12:24
From: Queenie Extraordinaire ATTN: MALL/STORE OWNERS....if you have camping crap set up, I will NOT be giving you my business or dwell/ traffic/whatever the fuck its called now. I am only one person, but I believe I speak for many. I agree 100%, Q! Lots of stores didn't get my business lately and believe me, I tried as hard as you to blow my Lindens, but just were not able to because I still saw blurry pictures too after 1 hour. Then there are other stores of really great designers, who don't get my business either, but not because of camping chairs. I simply don't like clothes without mod rights. E.g. there's no point in buying pants that I can't make tighter or shorter when I want to wear a pair of high boots. Good side of it, I have more Lindens than I ever had before! 
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Phoenix Psaltery
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02-18-2006 12:30
From: Demian Caldera Good side of it, I have more Lindens than I ever had before!  Ooooh, really? Do you have Jeska and Wilder? I'll buy 'em from you if you do... P2
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Martin Magpie
Catherine Cotton
Join date: 13 Nov 2004
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02-18-2006 12:32
From: someone The Developer Incentive program was originally created as a way to recognize outstanding content creation in Second Life. But as many of you know, the program has not been a total success in rewarding the wide range of Second Life creativity. Our goal will be to replace the Developer Incentives with new programs designed to support the full scope of Second Life creators. Jessie Linden /3/d8/88324/1.htmlThat says to me that the DI will be replaced. LL saw there was a problem and are going to try a new system.  Good job LL. Cat
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ZsuZsanna Raven
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02-18-2006 12:35
From: Magnum Serpentine And what about those, who never had camping chairs (Which were legal, there was nothing in the books against them nothing at all) and who depended on Dwell to help pay for their sims...
Oh yes, what about those that were told and promissed that Dwell would be around for years? They paid for and bought their sims based upon this promiss. They feel left in the lurch now. One bad apple spoils the bunch so to speak...
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Martin Magpie
Catherine Cotton
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02-18-2006 12:51
Locks are to keep honest ppl honest. Sometimes a business has to suck up a loss for the greater good of the community. Meaning; No system they ever create will be perfect. Someone will find away around the rules. In rl those types go to jail when they are caught. In SL they get rewarded  Funny irony if you ask me. Anyway I think LL is going to have to come to terms with the fact that some money is going to have to be ear marked as "community improvement project" and let it go. Either that or ban the things that screw up the systems. I have to say again tho I think its great that they are trying to create a better system that will help so many who deserve it. Just my 2L$. Cat
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Jenny Kaos
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02-18-2006 13:21
I read through this message and I have to say: I agree with 75% of it. I personally hate camping chairs (dance ones also) it's a cheating way of getting dwell. When I bought my island, I made up my mind that in no way were we not gonna have those at all. Also no high lag items, as that drives me infreakingsane when trying to move around lol. Recently we built a mall, as to try and attract more people to the island, as well as a carnival area. Again...no camping chairs anywhere, no dance pads, nothing to encourage people to sit there for hours on end...except rides, vendors, pool, movie, etc. People who come to my island come because they are curious, want fun, want to shop, not to make money by standing around. On the other hand...Dwell was the main incentive for me to try new ideas on my island. To get people in there. I actually got the DI award last month...and I was THRILLED!!!! It wasn't a high award, but the idea that people came to my island cause they wanted to, not because they wanted to camp out, just made my day. Hopefully the lindens create something similar but fairer to those of us who just want to be recognized for the work we put into our place  Thanks for listening hehe
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Cocoanut Cookie
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02-18-2006 14:01
Most of the ones on the DI list now listed didn't get there because of camping chairs. coco
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Boliver Oddfellow
CEO Infinite Vision Media
Join date: 22 Sep 2005
Posts: 484
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02-18-2006 14:47
You're right Coco most of them did not get there via camping chairs. Which is why its all the more pity that those who did spoiled ruined gamed and killed it for the rest of the list. its always a shame when the greedy few manipulate and game the system cuz the good guys always get hurt. Again tho I say dont blame LL look to those who gamed the system and seek your recompense there.
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Magnum Serpentine
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02-18-2006 15:22
From: FlipperPA Peregrine I received DIs every month since they started counting group land towards it, and I am also happy to see it go. Its being gamed, and as LL gets bigger and bigger, I want them to have less and less to do with anything outside of software development. LL's community team should listen to the community about what kind of tools the community wants to build the world themselves, not to fund the world and play cop / mayor.
Regards,
-Flip Flip, there is nothing in the rules that say Camping Chairs are Illegal. And I wonder, if the Lindens with-drew to just running the Software, how much Chaos would come into the world? We have already seen that the Lindens can barely handle the multiple attacks by W-Hat. But then if you are for total chaos and for seeing everyone get shot everytime they log in, then yes, it would be a good thing for the Lindens to with-draw. Can anyone say.... Tombstone Arizona?
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Stroker Serpentine
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02-18-2006 19:37
From: FlipperPA Peregrine I received DIs every month since they started counting group land towards it, and I am also happy to see it go. Its being gamed, and as LL gets bigger and bigger, I want them to have less and less to do with anything outside of software development. LL's community team should listen to the community about what kind of tools the community wants to build the world themselves, not to fund the world and play cop / mayor.
Regards,
-Flip MARRY ME FLIP!!Think Jenn would mind??
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Cristiano Midnight
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02-18-2006 19:42
From: Magnum Serpentine Flip, there is nothing in the rules that say Camping Chairs are Illegal. And I wonder, if the Lindens with-drew to just running the Software, how much Chaos would come into the world? We have already seen that the Lindens can barely handle the multiple attacks by W-Hat. But then if you are for total chaos and for seeing everyone get shot everytime they log in, then yes, it would be a good thing for the Lindens to with-draw.
Can anyone say.... Tombstone Arizona? Magnum, I don't understand how you can defend camping chairs, honestly. They go against the spirit of what dwell and the developer incentive were supposed to be about, and are just a sleazy tactic to artificially inflate dwell. There is no justification for them.
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Gabe Lippmann
"Phone's ringing, Dude."
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02-18-2006 20:44
From: Cristiano Midnight Magnum,
I don't understand how you can defend camping chairs, honestly. They go against the spirit of what dwell and the developer incentive were supposed to be about, and are just a sleazy tactic to artificially inflate dwell. There is no justification for them. I didn't read any defence in that post. It merely pointed out that within the LL created SL system, camping chairs are allowed. What you say is true, Cristiano, but doesn't contradict what Magnum's post actually said.
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Cristiano Midnight
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02-18-2006 21:47
From: Gabe Lippmann I didn't read any defence in that post. It merely pointed out that within the LL created SL system, camping chairs are allowed. What you say is true, Cristiano, but doesn't contradict what Magnum's post actually said. It goes back to the concept of "just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.". There are lots of ways to skirt the rules and not break them, but it doesn't necessarily make it ethical or something to be proud of, or the right thing to do. It wasn't just that single post either, Magnum talks a lot about the camping chairs.
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Ravenous Dingo
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02-18-2006 22:22
now we get to see if camping chairs go away
i predict they wont
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Magnum Serpentine
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02-18-2006 22:24
From: Cristiano Midnight Magnum,
I don't understand how you can defend camping chairs, honestly. They go against the spirit of what dwell and the developer incentive were supposed to be about, and are just a sleazy tactic to artificially inflate dwell. There is no justification for them. I am not defending them It is a fact They are not against the TOS or Community Standards And they are not against the rules.
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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How could anyone possibly object to camping chairs?
02-18-2006 23:21
How could anyone possibly object to camping chairs?
People who have been out gathering firewood all day and collecting fresh drinking water might just possibly get tired of working non-stop and need to relax and set a spell at times, don't ya think?
Next thing ya know you guys'll be complaining 'bout camping blowdryers.
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02-19-2006 02:01
From: Magnum Serpentine your ok. I Believe that we all can agree DI will be an explosive issue for some time to come Thank you. I've been really trailing in the "semi-literate ideologue" demographic approval ratings of late and this does much to aid that. Plus, it makes me feel kind of warm and fuzzy. I Believe that we can all agree that Players Attaching Poodles to Their Heads will be an explosive issue for some time to come. I also checked the ToS/CS and there is no mention at all of head poodle attachment! Therefore, that which is not specifically prohibited is considered a Good Thing To Do. If you act quickly, perhaps you can be the frontrunner of poodle hat creation and merchandising, and their is not a dam thing they can due to stop you! 
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Foolish Frost
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02-19-2006 04:27
From: Introvert Petunia and their is not a dam thing they can due to stop you!  I'm game!  PULL! 
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Cliffy Palmerstone
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02-19-2006 04:59
From: Enabran Templar You mispelled "not remotely related to any true concept within the scope of non-Gorean reality" as "not appropriate."
Hehe - you misspelled "misspelled"
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Magnum Serpentine
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02-19-2006 06:32
From: Introvert Petunia Thank you. I've been really trailing in the "semi-literate ideologue" demographic approval ratings of late and this does much to aid that. Plus, it makes me feel kind of warm and fuzzy. I Believe that we can all agree that Players Attaching Poodles to Their Heads will be an explosive issue for some time to come. I also checked the ToS/CS and there is no mention at all of head poodle attachment! Therefore, that which is not specifically prohibited is considered a Good Thing To Do. If you act quickly, perhaps you can be the frontrunner of poodle hat creation and merchandising, and their is not a dam thing they can due to stop you!  I consider this an attack and off topic
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Introvert Petunia
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02-19-2006 06:32
From: Magnum Serpentine I consider this an attack and off topic Color me incredibly not surprised.
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Foolish Frost
Grand Technomancer
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02-19-2006 07:28
<raised eyebrow> Considering I was the one with the shotgun in the thread... Why am I not being accused of attacking people? 
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Introvert Petunia
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02-19-2006 07:51
From: Foolish Frost Considering I was the one with the shotgun in the thread... Why am I not being accused of attacking people? Probably the infrequently used "poodle exemption".
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Introvert Petunia
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02-20-2006 04:47
Due to unprecedented demand for the Poodle Head shown above, someone has recently announced the sale of Poodle Heads in the New Products forum which I dasn't link directly to lest this be viewed as a commercial post in "General" from which someone is likely to earn migs and megs of L$ which would cause massive inflation, global warming, rioting in the streets, mass chaos, dogs and cats living together, and get me sent to the cornfield. So you'll just have to grovel through that forum for yourself. Note to moderators: This post is a General Public Service Announcement and is intended to provide information of interest to the community. Any resemblance to commercial intent, or any persons or avatars, living, dead, or digitized is purely coincidental.
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