Is SL a RPG??

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IF you aren't going to be swayed, don't post here any longer and go to some other post, because, JUST AS SL IS IN EVERY WAY AN RPG- not just a container, or a platform so to speak.

See how easy it is is to shout. SL is in -everyway- an RPG, so go on about your antics.

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If you took a poll before a certain astronomer (whom the church called blasphemous) revealed the truth, the majority of people also said the world -had- to be flat.

One hundred cowards do not a brave man make..and one hundred fools do not make a wise man.

shout? whatever you say, as i was saying before, as memir and CS and 81% of the rest of SL are saying that SL is not an RPG, but you can play it as an RPG. Antics? Your have got to be kidding me. Look at your posts and look at mine and then tell me who is endlessly rambling on about something noone believes in. As i said before, just look up at the votes ;D. They don't lie, so go ahead and continue on crying about how everyone is wrong in your eyes and SL is an RPG blah. As you said before, ppl just skip over things they don't wanna read, i wander how many have skipped over you?

Need a little ice for the burn?????

People also believed the world was flat

A majority of them in fact.

They were wrong. Majority does not equal right.

They can call it anything they want, but as long as the game refers to the avatar as "you" it's role-playing.
Role-playing is so common a training and educational tool that this is irrelevant. Heck, the first open-source 3-d first-person quote-role-playing-unquote game was used as training by the Marines.
How many companies have sold licensed D&D spinoffs over the years?

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You have a really messed up idea of what "role playing" is, my man.

antics antics antics, i don't need to respond anymore, we have all proven our points, well.... except you. as i was saying before, SL IS IN NO WAY AN RPG ONCE SO EVER.

You've proven nothing, except that a majority of people feel/think that SL is not a rpg. Feeling and thinking does not a fact make.

Since you obviously can't learn I won't use any more big words around you..wouldn't want to hurt you.

I'm back to my roleplaying game of SL once I find a spot/sim I can rez in.

Biased questions aside, all that needs be said is "See my Signature"

See that little "I try to be in character as much as possible"?

*nods*

For me it's an RP(cybersex)G

They don't, though. If you go in sim and start saying things like "I'm going to the Welcome Area", or "Check out the shirt I'm wearing" they don't react as if you're doing the equivalent of showing up in a public place with an action figure and referring to it as "yourself" the way you do with your avatar.

I'll bet almost all the people who claimed SL wasn't a RPG make the same kind of identification between themselves and their avatar in ordinary speech in-game. And that identification is the essence of role-playing.

So the basis of you're entire perspective/case is hung on the semantics of 'you'? Interesting, weak point to hinge it all on, but interesting.

Remind me not to refer to myself in the third person hey? Someone might think I was RPing at the checkout counter and not take me seriously. We are not amused. ^.-



But those Marines? They're just role-playing right? Oh good, glad no one is dieing in any foreign campaigns atm. ^.^; Its not like they were using a platform to garner real world skills or anything, was just for fun right? O.o



Maybe I do? Only drawing from what I've seen played on the SL platform and it ranges from intricate to mundane, as I expect is true for a great many things. Oh and it's ma'am by the by, not man. ^.-

Anyway as I said in my first post to this thread I expect some will disagree for the sake of disagreement and in the face of anything up to and including the title, intent, and definition provided by the very company which owns and runs SL itself. If folk are willing to argue that point with the creators and despite all evidence to the contrary then hey? Not much point in carrying on a non-discussion is it? In particular when more than one has stated in no uncertain terms that they will hold their view no mater what and you cant make them listen "'la-la-la-la' I can't hear you I've gots fingers in my ears!" ^.-

As before, carry on. ^.^

what's a "PRG"?

So, if you're webcam chatting, and call the videostream "you", is that also a rpg?

I don't think role-playing necessarily implies role-playing game. I have role-played with legos before, but I still don't think lego is a role-playing game even though it can be used to play a role-playing game, it's not one per se.

Porn Romp Game?

Pirate Raiding Game?

Avast! Ahrrr. ^.^

Oh noes I is RPing the forums! ^.-

That must mean the forums are a RPG! Nooooooo. ^.-

I don't think role-playing necessarily implies role-playing game. I have role-played with legos before, but I still don't think lego is a role-playing game.

well RPG the G is for "Game"

which is already in debate. settle that one.

So what is second life.. hmm second means. second and life is a board game.

Thus Second Life is a board game.

a boring game?

not if you love gray rectangles with white outlines, and who doesn't?

"Check out the shirt i'm wearing"

"Cool, the seams are a little messed up, and the resolution is kinda bad. I like the shading work though. Did you make that in photoshop? You should use one of the templates more closely."

The semantics of "self". Which is, really, quite a deep subject.
But speaking of words, the word "just" is pretty important. Pull the word "just" out and you you have "they're role-playing", which has a different concept altogether... unless you're mentally applying "just" to the term "role playing".
So you're not actually familiar with role playing in any other context?
Linden Labs has an ulterior motive. They're trying to sell SL to investors who see "role playing games" and thing "Everquest". They're trying to distinguish SL from first-person shooters and multiplayer combat games. You have to consider EVERYTHING they say in terms of their interests.

The ironic thing is... virtually none of the MMORPGs actually has the characteristics of a classical role playing game. As far as I've seen, SL is the only one that qualifies.

The videostream is actually a picture of you. If you say "look at my T-shirt" then you're asking about the T-shirt that you're actually wearing. If the picture moves, it's because you moved, not because you typed a command to tell a virtual action figure to move.

Whereas the non-role-playing exchange would start...

"Check out the shirt my avatar's wearing"

That little icon next to my name in this forum, for example, my forum avatar. If I had a cartoon character there, and asked you to "check out the shirt I'm wearing" in a forum message, that would clearly be role-playing. You're so immersed in role playing in SL you don't even recognise when you're doing it.

I actually often say things that way. Although I never say "My avatar is going to the welcome area", for the same reason I don't say that my webbrowser is going to visit some webpage, but rather say I'm going to visit some webpage.

I think you're taking what is considered human short hand in thought as roleplay. I refer to the avatar as me because it's inconvenient and annoying to refer to it as "my avatar" all the time. If I had to interject "My avatar" into everything I said in Second Life my sentences would double.

"I went to a store and I found some new outfits and I tried them on. Then I went back to Nexus Prime and I talked to my friend."

"My avatar went to a store and my avatar found some new outfits and my avatar put them on. Then my avatar went back to Nexus Prime and my avatar talked to my avatar's friend."

When I say "I" in the first sentence, I mean I physically controlled my avatar in Second Life with the keyboard, then physically bought an outfit and physically found it in my inventory and physically clicked on it to put it on. But if I were to say all that i'd still be typing it. So we as humans make a shorthand for this, and just refer to the avatar and the avatar's actions as I, this is as much roleplaying as it's roleplaying when you post this message with the context "I" (after all, by your defintion of non-roleplaying, then you would have to say "My keyboard says..." the other reason for this is that it sounds akward and no one would really know what you're talking about.

I think you've become so immersed in roleplaying that you fail to notice that actions like movement, changing outfits, and viewing clothing, really isn't roleplaying at all, but is just shorthand for movements on the keyboard. My avatar isn't looking at the shirt you're wearing. I am. My avatar didn't put on it's clothes, I did.

I wonder if IRCs are Role playing games too?

They've nearly a identical textual interface that SL has, in so far as poses (/me this /me that). Many IRC clients have avatar pics supposedly representative of their users as well. Hmm, and just cause its billed as internet relay chat we all know thats just cause its an elaborate marketing scheme.

In fact that must mean that message boards, forums, and blogs are all roleplaying games! After all someone some where is likely using them for such a purpose somewhere so therefore by the logic presented by some posters here they all must be RPGs. ^.^

Wow, great, now that we've that settled, I ought to have leveled up with this thread! Yay, I'm going to go cash in these experience points for lindens and buy a noble pink pony! Woo and hoo!

Then I'm going to go to some of those industry forums I belong to and hunt orcs, and later just for kicks I'll be playing that really neat RPG Aim, and maybe some Ms Messenger for 'teh win'!