So yeah....privacy more or less an impossible dream?

Again, I'm not against implementation of instanced plots. I never said that. I think needing privacy in a virtual game is silly though, and I think that's where everyone confused what I said. While I think it's silly, I am also for something better than the eyesore ban lines and griefing security scripts. Sorry if you thought otherwise.

But if you don't want people seeing pictures of your kids in SL... don't put them in here?

Well that is my only choice right now, isn't it Joshua? What this entire thread is about is asking for more choices. That you think the request is silly isn't really germane.

In real life, trespassing occurs when someone steps off of common ground and onto private property. It isn't when they break into the house.

Ouch. Yeah, I brought this up a few ago, as well.

There are plenty of protest marches that have exactly that. There is power in numbers.

You're talking about something entirely different here, and equating the two to make a point. If the "IMPEACH BUSH" signs spoken of originally were a part of some odd blackmail campaign, then my initial understanding of the complaint was flawed, and I would like to restate, however, I am reasonably certain blackmail was never mentioned.

Protest marches aren't always about dialogues; sometimes they're just one-way. This is usually when the cause is deemed important enough. Protest may occasionally violate the rights of others in delivering a political message, but it beats terrorism (a violent means of pushing a message).

Excellent way to distinguish the two.

Oy! That's really unethical and should be against the ToS. My first impression of the subject was a few people putting up IMPEACH BUSH signs around sims, like those "BANSHE" ones, hence my argument.

Maybe make a script in your house that hides/reveals your private stuff only in your presence?

Sorry if I wasn't clear in my previous post. When I referred to THE "Impeach Bush" signs, I meant the specific Impeach Bush signs in Second Life, that were put up in small parcels (usually 16 or 32 sq m of land) set to sell for over $60/sq m. I was NOT referring to signs in general that read "Impeach Bush".



By definition, I think of protest and protest marches as inherently being about dialogue. That is, they're part of the dialogue, not the whole of the dialogue. The status quo, or what is being protested, is one part of the dialogue, while the protest itself is the critical other part of the dialogue. Without protest or dissenting views, we only have a monologue. Without the status quo to protest, we don't have "protest", but rather a rally.

I agree that protest does violate the rights of others on occasion, but I don't think COHERENT protest is hypocritical. It may well be incoherent, and of course, it's always one's inalienable right to be incoherent. (:





Nope, that's what I was talking about, and what I think most people in SL refer to when they talk about the situation with "the Impeach Bush signs". While I think you're right that "blackmail" was not mentioned in the initial posts in this thread, I'm pretty sure the initial poster was referring to the same situation too.

Many people in the community interpreted those particular signs as a form of land extortion: brightly-coloured eyesores made to annoy neighbours, so that the neighbours would buy out the land at hugely inflated prices to get rid of the signs. It was not as simple a case as putting up signs to get a political message out, but rather it was (also) a way to sell off land at L$60/sq m.

Thankfully, the problem has since been taken care of, and we're not dealing with it anymore.

Sel
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And when I am home, somebody can still cam pan in ... there are always partial solutions but only LL can really provide us with a private space.

Well, just revisiting the thread again - I was in earlier to voice sympathy for those who don't want to be pan-cammed in on, and hope they get something for further privacy.

But - and without reading the whole rest of the thread - I'm here to report that after building with "disable camera" for a while now, I really don't know how I ever struggled along without it!

I wish other things that would make building easier would come along, too - but without causing privacy concerns or something similar. Fortunately, as I said before, I think the number of peeping Toms on the game is probably relatively low.

coco

I quoted your specific portion that referred to "no other mmo" -

I dont think they draw and quater people in Ahern - Maybe we can get onr of the gor people to arrainge it though =pPpP

The arguement that no one should be allowed privacy becuase its common on the net not to have privacy - isnt necesarily the best one.

I think there could be privacy, and It could be implimented. It shouldnt cost the price of a private island. But I can see LL charging a seperate price for instanced private rooms.

I agree the proper way isnt to go after LL for tools they impliment. And the grid as it exists now only has a minimum of privacy. Of course it has privacy based on the willingness of visitors and neighbors to respect it.

I could always spy on my neighbors (their house is about 8 feet from this one) out my window if I wanted. I dont becuase they are interesting enough and becuase im considerate of their privacy.

have to agree with this -

I understand when people are home and want to do some lovin and close their parcel down. But when they arent even home? Seems stupid to me.