Land exploiter? Who's side are you on?

There isn't even that word in the post, what are you talking about??? (P.S. what are the shortcuts to the different smilies?)

Thanks!

LL can terminate any account for any reason they choose. He admits to using a loophole to get one over on LL and got caught and subsequently his account was terminated. I would do the same thing if I was LL. We don't need people like that in our community. Good riddance.

I object to your picture. The quote is wrong, it's actually a bunny with two pancakes on its head.

That's just the pancake's backside.

I voted that I'm on the Land Exploiter's side, not because I think he is right, or because I think he will win this case, but because the publicity he gets will increase his law business enough to make it worthwhile for him. He will now be one of the few lawyers that will have experience in in this type of case.

But he has no case, it's in the TOS that they can cancel your account at any time for no reason at all.

Last time I checked, people who exploit software systems for financial gain go to jail.

I'm not taking sides due to lack of information. But most likely LL is right. >.>

I have made use of 1 or 2 exploits in games/environments. But i never made a profit from them. If we are talking about one of those guys buying a sim for 1 dollar, then they deserve whats comming to them.

*whispers* Only because they didnt let me know... >.>

The way I see it, LL should give him back his money and ban him.

Ban him for the exploit, but for christ's sake, the man spent THOUSANDS!

I am on the Marc's side, because being contrary in the face of common sense is oh-so-edgy and post-modern.

I don't think Marc Should get any of his money back he sold a lot of land to me at a primo price since it was beach front I think he should take the money that he illegally made and be happy

Oh and a personal not I know he has another account. He contacted me about a piece of land I reserved to buy.

Frankly I amazed that anyone actually voted for him at all and even more amazed the one of those who did was a participant in the land auction fraud scam and didnt get his acciunt deleted, kind of risky outing himself like that,wonder If LL is looking at the pro voters and wondering

PayPal used to steal millions of dollars from their customers and got into big trouble even though their policies permitted theft. That's what the law will look at when they evaluate this case. Just give him back his money and forget the whole thing ever happened.

to quote hiro--

Last time I checked, people who exploit software systems for financial gain go to jail.

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please tell me how that writting an address in the bar above is an 'exploit'?

he didnt steal/hack any passwords or bypass any firewalls to get their - therefor it was in the 'public domain' - just as writting http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1902646711/qid=1147288895/sr=1-18/ref=sr_1_18/002-0033935-1876851?s=books&v=glance&n=283155 in the adress bar isnt a hack - its a way of getting to the product you want to buy

no laws were broken by him - yet laws were and are still being broken by LL - he entered a legal contract with linden labs and they have not fulfilled their side of the agreement

I don't have the facts of this case.... but logic suggests this:

Loophole was found and loophole was exploited.
Linden Labs became aware of this and took actions to protect themselves (I have reason to believe in the TOS (which i havn't read) it says somewhere that LL is allowed to protect themselves and suspend any memberships with or without notice or cause.)
Linden Labs wants their property back.

My view is that Linden Labs should pay every last cent back. The entire amount of purchase price for the auctioned land. LL probably agrees.

But coming up with a scam, and it being foiled does not constitute payment for lost potential profits.

Linden Labs handled it pretty bluntly and arrogantly....but in their eyes, it looks as if someone is breaking into their system and stealing stuff. I bet this could all be worked out if LL had good communication skills. Anyone ever heard of talking to solve problems?

..... I bet in the long run the case will be ruled by a judge that has no concept of buying and selling virtual land.. and it'll all get thrown out because the courts cannot grasp that virtual world has value and ownership.

Voted for Marc just because the law should rule about his case first. And I thought that Linden labs liked all the hacks (They seem to support o reilly hacks so they get what they wanted.)

Linden Lab, claims Bragg, then terminated his account "without explanation, without citing any violation of community policy, and have since refused offer a credit or a refund."

I may be misremembering but I seem to remember something in the TOS you agree to when you sign up for an account that says LL can choose to revoke membership at any time they choose, for no reason whatsoever. Not exactly those words but something along that line.

But then I may just be remembering someone else's TOS -- I think I may be one of the few people who actually reads every one that I agree to. Heh. As an experienced net geek I've just come to expect that the ruling body of any online service can cancel your account at any given time, without an explanation, refund, reason, or apology. Even web hosting is like that.

I'm gonna guess that if Marc does go through with the suit he'll end up spending a lot more money on a lawyer who won't be able to win his case.

Don't you just love people who try to cheat the system to get rich quick and then get vindictive when their schemes fall apart? Yeesh.

I am curious, how do you know the facts about what happened? I mean facts, not rumor or speculation?

#1. I talked to 2 of the main people that were doing it.
#2. It was possible to do a while back, but I have higher morals than them, so I did not.

(And no, this isn't one of those "I'm better than you/them" posts. )

But you do know the facts. Everyone knows the starting price of a sim at auction. You also know that a sim never starts out at $0 USD. You know that someone figured out a way to go around LL and start an auction at $0 USD and bid and win an Sim at a price far below what they always start at. And you know that when it came to LL's attention they immediately put a hold on that persons account.

Now reasonable speculation would include a lot of investigation time on LL's part to not only correct the exploitation of their system but also have to contact everyone involved to determine what happened at which point they decided a ban was in order. Beyond speculation we also know lawyers are involved now and there will be no public release of information before anything is settled or thrown out.

I read that some feel he should be reimbursed and I thought about this. If someone spends time and money to steal from you and they are caught, would you really want to reimburse them for their expenses? Their gas money, cost of lock picks, stuff like that?

From what I read he bought the land cheap and quickly resold it accounting for thousands of dollars in his account. How much was his money and how much was from selling stolen property? If the police bust a drug dealer and find thousands of dollars on them, is any money he started with before he began selling drugs that day even considered?

I would like to see a counter suit...

He did not spend thousands of dollars.

He spent nothing, He planned to use what he bought to make thousands. He got caught, and thus never got to make the thousands.

He is sueing for the thousands he could have made if he wasn't caught.

Please get that straight, people.

As for the person who asked if LL had ever gone out of their way to redeem a mistake made by the little people? I bought some land on a new alt and, not having owned land previously, accidently set it to public. LL helped me to get it back, though they did warn me not to do that again or they would just let it stand.