Overzealous Security and Rude Landowners

So it wasn't the shop owner's security device, and you were just too lazy to make the effort to get to the shop in a more direct manner, without trampling across someone else's property.

Ah -- now I see -- why are you complaining about rude people when you're the one with no manners?

Certainly there are security scripts whose intent and actual function is to prevent griefing on the owner's land. However, there are also security scripts, either through ignorance or, sometimes I think, through intent, prevent little to no griefing but cause griefing under the guise of "it's my land and I can do what I want."

The latter should be recognized by Linden Lab as griefing itself, not protection, and handled appropriately.

Yes for some reason some people do get pissed off when you fly over their land with your ship/airplain.

Because you invade their illusion of privacy...because they were just 'getting it on' and you probably interupted the foreplay or something.

People who need to sex and they want to make the illusion of privacy bigger...just build a skybox in the air....lets say 750m....normal people can't reach that height unless they use some sort of flight assitance.

And I don't think people fly at that height with their airplain.
At least I don't.


I think it's quite annoying when you're flying and suddenly you get catapulted out of your airplane...and you see it crash in the 'no scripting area'.

People who need to sex and they want to make the illusion of privacy bigger...just build a skybox in the air...

People who feel the 'need to sex' in SL would be far better off turning off their computer, going outside, and mixing with real people. I hear real sex is far more satisfying than pixel humping.

Lewis

I would pose the possibility that if land owners were provided with a few more non aggressive ways of basically locking their front doors, SL might in fact appear MORE welcoming to new people because there won't be a demand for the aggressive measures that come across as hostile.

Although we would then see people how create them getting annoyed cuz no-one wants them and it will be "LL Yuo ruined my business!

Wrong, SL is open access unless specifically identified otherwise.

You want privacy, it is up to you to specifically indicate IN GOOD TIME that anyone passing this area may be subject to being forcibly ejected. That does not mean a 5 second warning that gives you absolutely no clue where it's coming from, I'm talking about walls, beacons, lights, anything that is about 20m out from the border of the security zone, clearly obvious for anyone to see.

Right now, people do not use anything to denote that there is no access until it is too late to do anything about it.

Using a push gun on an avatar to send them flying half way across the sim without their permission IS a ToS violation - and abuse reportable. So why do people find the exact same thing happening except on an automated system instead of an avatar clicking, any different?

Lewis

If I am in something like an airship, ballon, or a vehicle that rides on SLs wind currents, there is no way I will be able to figure out which way is out let alone get there in five seconds.

You can buy land around my home for me to put up beacon on, I won't use the prims I pay for to do so.

Its clearly obvious by the SKYBOX hovering in midair. If you werent ABOVE THE CLOUDS where it is or FLYING TOO FAST TO SIGHTSEE ANYWAY you would not be in its area of attack.

Now what will the flyers offer in a compromise, eh?

Thats your problem. My desires trump your problems on MY property. Yours trump mine on YOUR land.

If you aren't prepared to make the effort to mark your land as "no access", why should people bother to avoid it?



Not in the slightest. I know of several places that are 'built in the air' simply because they get less lag. I have a space station at 250m altitude on my land, which happens to be a Laserquest arena. Until you get close, you can't tell whether something is private or public, and you often get a boot before you even figure out which it is.

Some people also fly at high altitude simply because it's less lag. Most of the people who you are griefing with your security system probably had absolutely no intention of stopping to see if you had any interesting sex poseballs hanging around. Why not blame the people who make the sex balls that people keep hidden, because if they didn't exist people wouldn't go looking for them.



How about not abuse reporting you because your stupid overzealous griefing system with no warning causes them to lose their plane - again? As I already stated, most people couldn't care what you have in your skybox, they were just passing as an explorer and happened to get hit for going too close to something they didn't know they had to avoid.

I've flown round in my Star Trek shuttlecraft before, dropping in on people on the ground asking for directions to the Alpha Quadrant, as a bit of humourous roleplay. By your standards, that's griefing.

Lewis

Why does it always have to be about "winning"? Can't we just all get along? Your griefing causes more attention and is probably why you have become paranoid.

Lewis

I'm not doing any greifing by using a security orb which used land tools, get that through your thick head.

And for the record, for the MILLIONTH time, there IS a warning on my EJECT system.

As youve said before most people don't care whats in my skybox blah blah. Guess what? I DON'T CARE why they were on my land, but I don't want them there, PERIOD.

Being particular about who is on MY LAND, UNINVITED is hardly paranoia.

So explain to me what's the difference between a gun using a push to affect my avatar, and a security orb using a push to affect my avatar? Nothing, that's what. Why is one reportable and the other not?



An inadequate one. As they all are.



Why is it that most people don't have a problem, but you seem to have a problem with people passing by. Is it because you might catch some horrible avatar-threatening disease or something? Failing that, it's either some ego trip or delusional paranoia. I'm not sure which of the three it really is.

Lewis

I think Louis' analogy of someone barricading their website with passwords to prevent anybody else from seeing it is a valid one. This is exactly why security systems seem to strange to me.

When I first came to Second Life you could wander everywhere - examine other people's builds and, in my case, marvel at what they had achieved. Nowadays it seems as though everybody is infected by the cowboy syndrome - "Git offa mah land!". There is a weird sense of entitlement which is at odds with how this world used to be.

Yes, there were security systems, and yes, they were a pain in the arse. But they were few and far between. Most people knew how to achieve privacy when they needed it, and the rest of the time welcomed people to their land.

Having recently tried to sail up to the northern continent to meet a friend, I ended up on the wrong side of a red line after only covering about two sims. The trouble was, I didn't know which was the *right* side. I found myself in the middle of nowhere with my boat returned to my Lost and Found, and reluctantly decided that free travel was no longer possible in this place.

It seems that if you give people complete freedom they will construct their own prisons.

And I regard any uninvited entry near my skybox as greifing, intentional or not. Your point? If I could get ban lines up by my skybox, this wouldn't be an issue, but only the explicit ban goes that high.

Aodhan - I gave a warning. Thats your notice of private property. It -is- already at my expense.

Anything greater than 5 seconds is insuffecient to me. The reality is I will always do everything I can to keep others off my land.

Letting go of an assumed right of passage over land I own will help you out a lot. I grant right of passage to select people. You do not automatically have it.