INFOHUB UPDATE: auctioning off the land!

^ PLEASE TAKE THE POLL ABOVE WHEN YOU FEEL READY.


So basically, after all the earlier Infohub feedback--THANX, JUST CAN'T GET ENOUGH--it's come down to simplicity...

What I mean is, there are way too many of these blue i's, meaning "Infohub", on the map:



(inworld, click MAP button ---> INFOHUB checkbox to see 'em!)

and it's just too confusing for the community and doesn't do good.

We've already gone through a lot of possibilities, and this is what's currently being done:

1. Focus on a few quality locations, including some most excellent Resident-built "Infohubs". I've a lot of great things to say about this coming up!
   
2. And has been commonly suggested before, eh, the land would be better off in the eye-in-hands of the people of Second Life, our Residents, anyhoo!
   

So what we're going to do is auction the land off. Starting off with this first phase, we'll see how it goes. 14 of 'em. Here they are:

1. Daikoku (PG)
   
2. Stillman (PG)
   
3. Nuba (Mature)
   
4. Fuchsia (PG)
   
5. Siona (Mature)
   
6. Gibbosa (Mature)
   
7. Janus (PG)
   
8. Shinda (PG)
   
9. Sammamish (PG)
   
10. Grizedale (Mature)
    
11. Tridens (Mature)
    
12. Alleni (PG)
    
13. Anzere (PG)
    
14. Warmouth (PG)
    

You can see any of these parcels by looking at the region on the Map and double-clicking on the blue i.

Thoughts + Feelings please!

Brilliantly simple.

I like it.

A wasted opportunity to do something very productive with them.

There aren't many 'social gathering points' that are not laggy clubs or casinos, and you could have made great use of them as open spaces for gathering, displays and what not.

All that will happen is that someone nearby will buy up the land, absorb it into their already large parcel, and it's gone, forever, the chance wasted.

Why do LL promote "make thousands a year here" - which is an outright lie for 99.99999% of the population, yet play down almost to the point of ignoring the fact that it's a social experience that can enhance people's lives without worrying about all the commercialism crap that reality gets in the way of.

It's a shame really, that so many people entirely miss some of the best benefits of the game because all they think about is the financial aspect.

Besides, this is in the wrong forum. You should move it to Land & the economy, or Land sales. You move my posts because of 'rules', kindly follow them yourself.

Lewis

My idea of a huge number of objects with llPushObject hurling people to the InfoHubs would have worked just fine, and been fun to watch as well.

the plot thickens.

Thanks for co-opting my business.

a cardinal rule of SL is to not compete with residents, I've read recently. I'm still waiting for the copy of the review process so that I can know it doesn't happen, but it should be drafted shortly, Q4 2011 .

Spend 18 months building a business. LL comes along and cuts out the middleman.

Infohubs stand as monuments to co-opted business in SL.

Telehub malls, GOM, abandoned land resellers.........

No worries, they will have Torley cheerleading when they put SLEX and SLB out of business.

Ohh Noes! Cry More.

LL has decided to sell useless land, how is this different from any other day?

> $2000 USD worth of land invested in a SL business by one resident (not to mention others) now rendered useless.

It's more than a slap in the face to residents who were doing their work for them.

All this time it was considered a legitimate business, now LL staff is vilifying those who they co-opted and sending in the cheerleaders to rejoice the matter.

Not that its in this round, but I don't like the idea of the Isabel telehub being auctioned off one bit.

My hope was that it would stay Linden owned, and Linden developed. The Shelter is at the absolute maximum tier level we can support with our donations. Going up another level so that we can maintain the telehub area, and keep it nice... is just not an option for us.

This is extremely disappointing news from my perspective. It certainly seems to contradict what Robin indicated to us would be done with the land.

Wouldnt it do more use if LL got their finger out and tidied and resold, auctioned or whatever all the land that's reverted to governor linden?
Ive seen land sit over a month before it was re released.

Isnt Anzere in the middle of a wholly owned linden snow sim? why not just remove that hub and keep it a snow sim like the ones bordering it.

And couldnt the land in stillman be added to the stillman free bazarr land group, that place is packed with freebies

I don't know. Let the residents do the work. Why don't you give it a try?

Assuming these remain "i)" spots on the map, that is, and remain otherwise "infohub" land... just not Linden-operated infohubs.

Hmmm? You build Infohubs?

Torley, while I love your information, this announcement is just not clear.

I spent some time on the 15th donating a freebie to be used in the Infohub Freebie program, so I went around and checked out as many InfoHubs as possible at the same time.

Almost all were completely vacant plots of land with the tiny little InfoHub board on them which was broken in every single case. I found only a couple of larger builds like the Bear Infohub, but they were "under construction" and missing the InfoHub board itself. Basically just someone's empty build.

Please explain clearly what is going on.

- the selling of the infohub land, ... does that mean *all* Infohubs, or just some?
- what's happening to the rest of them?
- If some are staying how about a positive list of the sites still available and functioning (or are they all not really functioning?)
- what about the freebie donations? are they actually showing up anywhere?
- there is a big wall of linden freebies at Waterhead like in the old days, can we have that kind of thing back if the info-hub freebies are broken?
- did freebie stuff *ever* show at the InfoHubs, or did I waste my time?

Will they be auctioned off for $L (as they should be) or for U$D?

I read it as the land was just being 'downgraded' to regular land, and auctioned off to whoever pays the most for it to do whatever they like.

Because if they remain as 'infohubs' on the map, but the new owner can do whatever they want with them.... what do we end up with? More clubs or malls that are highlighted as premium positions on the map that show up in a filter. That's not going to help anyone really is it?

What would be *ideal* would be that people could buy the land, and turn them into their own design of infohub or gathering space as they desire, but keeping them for their purpose of an infohub if they show up on the map as such. However, I don't think that this land should count as tier that you pay for because it's actually helping LL more than it is you 'doing the community a favour'.

It's not clear what the point of all this is to be honest, and it's probably been badly thought through as usual.

Lewis

I'll clarify some things--and please, feel free to ask questions. Better than falling into assumptions. Answering those questions is what I'm here for. I actually seek help with this, so if anyone can jump in, I'll jump in with you.

1. This will be an AND, not an OR approach. Not *all* the Infohub parcels will be auctioned off. Certainly not! But some will. Yes, WE WILL STILL HAVE THEM. The ones that remain will be a combination of Resident-created community spaces like the one in Nova Albion I will later talk about at length, as well as certain Linden locations like Pooley Stage. Which means, yes, some of the i's on the map will be moving around. We will simply be culling redundancy.
   

1. The i's on the map will be removed when they are auctioned off. As I mentioned earlier, too many, too confusing. The i's on the map have already also been removed from some locations on an experimental basis. This is influx.
   

1. On the whole, because some are curious, it really has not made a difference whether a place had an i (basically meaning "marked as an Infohub" correctly) or not. Traffic has not shown an appreciable amount of difference, and I do not want LL's resources tied up in something which could be put to better use in a more focused direction for the community. Too many Infohubs = too much dilution. Spreading ourselves too wide and too thin, which I know has been a common theme on the SL Forums, and I want to respond to that by cutting the slack and tightening things up.
   

1. If you see an Infohub parcel that is on the list and adamantly do NOT want it auctioned off, please do not hesitate to contact me and show me what you want to build on it. The clearer and more fully-implemented a vision, the better. We've discussed ideas before, and Jesse put an open call out for Infohub proposals in December, but we hardly got any submissions, or much action beyond the ideas stage. I've been asssisting some Resis to develop the ones that are in progress. So, if you can take action, and want to--get in touch! But it must be more than "ideas" now. We've already done that. ^_^
   

1. Freebies have been put up for several months at the Infohubs. Sadly, and this is a recurring theme: it was difficult to distro them as they were not networked. (You know, fly from one to the next.) So, I went around looking for a networked freebie giver. Unfortunately, I soon found out about the 20-sec. llEmail delay, which really made things even slower. If anyone has an ingenious solution to this to speed things up, please contact me! I am ALL for sharing a wealth of contributions--but technical limitations seem to have put a damper on things. I wish this was easier.
   

1. There's a suggestion! I am looking forward to more things like this. That's influx--what had been suggested was that the blue i in Stillman be moved over to the Free Bazaar. I'm not sure if those parcels are adjoining.
   

1. As for auction details (L$ or US$), those have yet to be determined, but it's safe to say smaller ones (under 4096 m2) will likely be in L$ and larger ones (over 4096 m2) will be in US$, just like the current land auctions taking place today.
   

1. Actually, that is not unlike Jesse's original proposal as I've mentioned several times before, in addition to what's been happening. And what's happening on several parcels of land right now is the land is owned by Governor Linden but set to a Resident group, recognizing a bridge from Lindens to the Residents, so that they may make an Infohub. As Hikaru Utada would sing, "Simple and clean".
   

1. It's far more likely to have it Linden-owned but Resident-developed. By all means, Travis--you wanna do something there? Maybe you already have something ready to go? Please IM me.
   

1. Again, for emphasis, if you wish to take rapid, rippleshock (my own word meaning lateral intuition, sparks of spontaneous serendipity + synchronicity)! awesomely creatively artistic action and YOU WANT TO MAKE AN INFOHUB IN A SPECIFIC SPOT IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE COMMUNITY, wheeee, please don't hesitate to contact me with all your goods.
   

Overlook my point, Torley?

O and one more thing, about this, I intend to get a hardlocked list that's easy to view once a lot of of the proverbial dust settles. Right now, things are very much influx and amenable to Resi feedback--including this thread!--so those details I tell you now would be subject to change very quickly--not what I want to inconvenience you with. When there's a more SOLID list I will of course post it ASAP.

Sorry I don't understand, please explain more?

I spent 18 months and several thousand in USD building a land salvaging business.

Abandoned land was claimed, the Lindens paid. Land would immediately go from one resident's tier into another residents's tier and immediately resold.

If someone liked the land, they bought it. The Linden's got paid, I got paid and the purchase got what they want. Sounds pretty straight forward to me.

Now the Gov get the land, it sits for ages, in the Gov's tier. Bidding on it won't assure winning it either. LL just caused several people to tier down. I thought LL was in the business of selling tier to residents?

LL swears up an down, they don't compete with it's residents. Nothing can be further from the truth.

Now Linden staff are going to have to do the footwork that resident used to do. How can that be good for SL? How can putting people out of work, when they developed business and invested real money be good for SL?.

Do you have any idea how it irks me to see you sent in here to "Rah! Rah! Rah!"

Two!-Four!-Six!-Eight! Who will we appropriate?

I still don't understand--do you want Infohub land to be abandoned by the Governor? But from what I understand in 1.9, if I were to abandon an Infohub parcel, it'd... just go back to Governor? @_@

It has NOTHING to do with Info Hub Land and everything to do with the Linden appropriating all the other abandoned land and reselling it at auction. That's the business they killed.