Proposition regarding access (ban) lines

Wow, you're going to *hate* my proposal then where I ask LL to make the ban lines out of plywood.

I got rid of my first land on account of my neighbours being 1 banned access parcel (I asked if i could be put on the allowed list for visual and movements sake to which I got (I don't want you watching me and my girl) and two buy pass lands.. with nothing on them

I eventually got sick of it and chucked my land away for 500l

With recent changes in the way that ban lines work, yes, turning on a ban list for specific individuals does protect a skybox, while no, turning on a 'whitelist' ban, allowing access only to people on a parcel's access list, does NOT adequately protect them, unless they are pretty low.

Parcel bans, as implemented now, are still stuck in 2D, on-the-ground thinking. What is needed is the ability to protect the privacy of a specific 3D volume of space. If I ban 'griefer Jones' and his 20 alts from my property, they shouldn't have access at any altitude. If I am under attack by a hoarde of strangers (a flood of throwaway alts), I should be able to temporarily ban all strangers while I AR the attackers. But if I am just trying to get privacy for my skybox at 700 Meters above an empty lagoon, I shouldn't have to turn ban lines on that reach all the way down to the sea far below the box. (And I don't - I use a security orb up there, and allow unrestricted access to the area below to anyone who wants to cross that parcel.)

Desiring privacy isn't always about sex, either. I also discuss financial deals and sim planning issues with clients for my building work, and I should be able to prevent evesdroppers from overhearing or viewing those negotiations.

If they're particularly annoying, if you want to go that route, you could check their access list and add everyone on it to your own ban list, and let them get a taste of what they're giving, without troubling anyone else.

I haven't gone that far myself, but I'll admit to haveing been tempted on a few occasions by people who were particularly clueless and rude about their own ban lines.

/gets out gun
you know.. you can only stay on your own property for so long..
/evil grin

rofl
(jk jk jk)

Yeah, my neighbor had that, and I asked him quite politely to add me so I would not have to see it.. He wouldn't go for it -.- But as soon as he put it up for sale I bought it..

Im almost to the point I am going to buy land on an island.. sigh

Hello All,

Given the number of votes in this poll in favor of user control (or altogether elimination) of the access restriction lines, I went ahead and created an official proposition.

https://secondlife.com/vote/vote.php?get_id=1686

It is proposition 1686. Please go vote for it!

Thanks

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I think what we need is a privacy sphere instead of ban lines. This is how it would work:

- You set a point anywhere on your land, typically in the middle of your skyhome or house (maybe like you set a teleport point in your Land tools)

- You specify a radius around that point, like stretching a sphere in the build tools, but of course, it wouldn't be limited to 10m. Maybe 50m or 100m would be reasonable. The sphere would be cut with flat sides at the parcel limits though.

- Anyone not on the access list cannot fly through that sphere, but can fly around it. It could be visible too with a toggle (like View property lines => View privacy spheres). If it's on, you see all privacy spheres, including your own.

- Of course, if you are banned or not on the access list, you can't get inside the sphere.

- And the main thing: the sphere catches the Alt-click camera focus, like a big huge solid prim, and you cannot move your camera inside the sphere.

I think this would work well, and it really can't be that hard to do.

What do you think?

768m radius starting at 384m, access list: 3 avs long.

The current system works perfectly, and for it to be our world, our imagination, we need to be ablr to restrict access on land we pay for. Stop cameras too.

I don't know how hard that would be to program, but I think the idea or some variation is worthy of consideration. People would need to be able to create multiple spheres for multiple dwellings on the same property, however.

To be honest, I think the best solution would be one similar to the real world. Instead of spheres and all sorts of other complicated security measures, walls and doors should be impenetrable to cameras. Then, people can create walls and doors, lock them, and have privacy in their homes. I don't see a need to actually keep people off of the land.

I am opposed to the idea that you shouldn't be able to see items on restricted land. Not being able to see INTO property, I can understand, but to not be able to see the outside seems like overkill.

What the majority wants isn't the issue. What the individual landowner wants on his parcel is the important part. Noone has access rights to land they don't own. Noone automatically has rights to pass through it at any height. The landowner is the one who decides that.



Because the landowner paying for it doesn't want them there. Thats all the reason needed.

The only security you need is that turned on by pressing CTRL and Q together.

Lewis

Lewis, you have no say on my or anyone elses land. People want to enjoy the game with a select crowd on land they pay for, they have that priviledge. You consistently forget..you're not the one paying for the land so your opinion means nothing.

Wow it's impossibly to change some peoples minds no matter how obvious you try to be lol.

Jonas, I am not a moderator, nor do I own this thread, but please try and keep the hostility to a minimum. This thread is not about access controls, but about the visible access restriction lines. Obviously, the two issues are related, but if you need to start telling people their opinion is meaningless, please save it for another thread or start your own. The whole point of this thread was for people to express their opinions, regardless of any any actual power their opinion might have.

Don't worry, I wasn't being hostile. I was only pointing out the fact that Lewis's opinion holds no sway on land he doesn't pay for. Perhaps you should harp on him though, since his one track mind keeps posting get rid of all access limits.

I don't feed trolls too often though, so no worries, no more replies to the nonsense.

It's not what you say, it's how you say it. Part of being persuasive is understanding how the words and non-verbal signals we use to communicate are received by the other party. The biggest challenge is not to be convinced of your own point of view, but to understand the other person's. Only then can you begin to persuade him.

I'd like to have a ban line draw distance setting. While flying, I would turn it all the way up so I can see the lines from far away and avoid the land before even getting there. If a neighbor had ban lines, then I could turn it all the way down to not see them.

My vote would be for them to be fully visible from the parcel running them AND that "no entry" be allowed to turn on for a max of 2 hours at a time. Individual bans, would be constant.

You have the one track mind: "I pay for my land so screw everyone else, I don't care who is inconvenienced, my penis is tiny so I have to make up for it by having a security orb".

Seriously, you haven't actually provided anything to support your point of view except "I own the land so I can do what I like" which, as you are probably aware, is a pretty weak argument since you don't own the land, you just rent it from Linden Lab by paying tier for it.

Should Linden Lab finally see sense and outlaw security orbs that push because they do unquestionably fall in the category of 'weapon', there is nothing you can do about it.

Lewis

Jonas, I don't think you need to point that out; he is already well aware of the situation. He has a right to express his opinion, just as you have a right to express yours. I have not seen him calling you names, at least in this thread, nor deriding your opinion. If he has done so in other threads, respond to him in those and don't pollute this one, please.

Some land is bought specifically for group sanctuary. All you would do with this is increase the numbers of security orbs that eject. This causes more lag in the sim..whereas proper security built into the land would PREVENT lag.

*sigh* I suppose my last post did not come quickly enough. Please keep your fighting out of this thread, Lewis. I appreciate your opinion and agree with it in many shades of gray, but slurs against penis size are simply unnecessary.

The banlines are outright ugly.

It's more aesthetically pleasing ... AND more effective to color-code the minimap. Draw green and red lines on the minimap.


This should be a fairly simple client-side change, tell it to render the banlines as a minimap line instead. That's a lot less polygons and less rendering time.


Result, they'll be easier to see, easier to avoid, and the scenery is not destroyed. People who have them up will have BETTER privacy since the lines (on the minimap) are visible from VERY far away.