Proposition regarding access (ban) lines

Hello,

The red 'no entry' and green 'buy pass' lines are very ugly and destructive of the environment. I have no problem with the existence of access restrictions, but there should be a way to make these lines visible/invisible as needed.

I appreciate for people that are flying (including myself - I like to fly), that it is very disruptive to suddenly be bounced around. It is also necessary to know how far the access restrictions extend so you can fly around them.

However, for someone like myself, who has a neighbor with access restrictions, I am more concerned about my view being destroyed by these ugly pests. I am therefore submitting a proposal, and I wish your feedback first.

My proposal is thus: the default for access restrictions shall be that no red or green lines shall be visible. For those users who are flying or wish to see these lines for other reasons, I suggest there be an option to 'make access restriction lines visible' in the preferences dialog or the 'view' menu.

This way, those who are actively traveling may turn the lines on and avoid the headache of being bounced around like a pinball in a pinball machine. Those who aren't traveling, or may be relaxing at home enjoying the view, will not be forced to look at these ugly eyesores.

I would like to make this proposal ASAP, so any feedback is appreciated. This will be my first proposal.

Thank you,

Biz

I think the lines should be replaced by a picture of a scary clown. Right now, I just feel some compulsion to invade any land that does that, because they make the land seem like forbidden fruit. Scary clown though, I'll be well aware that I'm not welcome and I'll find somewhere else to have my fun.

I think the ban lines should be visible from the inside of the parcel too... Maybe it would stop people being such asshats with them.

Good idea... I'm sure a lot of people turn them on and forget they have.

My personal preference would be removal of all 'bans', be it ban lines or security systems, and enable OUR world to be truly OURS, rather than lots of fragmented little corners occupied by antisocial people huddled in their little parcel paranoid that someone might possibly be interested in their build.

A tip... if you don't want people to see your sex balls because of embarrassment, DON'T BUY THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE!

Lewis

But where's the fun in that?

Really though... if people see me on a sexball... sheesh it's not exactly the end of the world... Of course if they say round and get annoying then it could well be they beginning of the end of theirs.

I would certainly like to see the option to turn them off, so if I am sitting near such a space and not moving, I don't have to see the eyesores. I gave up on one lovely parcel of rented land in part necause a neighbor moved in and left their ban lines on 24x7 right next to one whole side of my parcel. I knew the barrier was there, and didn't need an ugly, consant reminder of their inhospitable policies.

But I would also like to be able to not only turn on visibility, but to have personal control over how far away I can see them - a slider for range of visibility. That way, if I know I am going to be moving fast, I can set it to allow me to see them well in advance. If I am ambling along at a slow walk, I can make them invisible until I am within a few meters of them. Perhaps the visibility rate could even be tied to how fast you move? If you move fast, it automaticly increases the distance at which you can see them, to give you time to react? And if you are not moving, they are invisible?

I would leave the default state as visible, however, as I'm personally more worried about inadvertantly entering an area where I might get shot or orbited or teleported home with little or no warning, then I am about the view. If the sight of them bothers me, I can turn it off.

Great idea - actually, it should be totally opaque from inside of the parcel.

Works for me

Thank you, everyone, for your responses so far. Ceera, I had wondered about that myself. That's a good question. I don't know if the lines are treated differently than any other object at the moment in terms of rendering. I know I can't see them unless I'm relatively close. Perhaps another option might be to have access restricted parcels show up on the mini-map as colored squares (red or green). That way you would have plenty of time to fly around them and perhaps the lines could be gotten rid of entirely.

I wouldn't go that far, but yes, making them visible from inside the parcel would be a very good idea. There are too many people who just click the little box the one time that they happen across the land settings and then forget all about it. Seeing the lines whould at least make them aware of what they're doing.

Well, if the walls of my house, and the closed curtains on my windows and my locked doors could actually keep people from looking through them, or just entering the house anyway and walking right into my bedroom, then this wouldn't be much of an issue, now would it?

Unfortunately, unlike real life, it's patheticly easy in SL for others to intrude upon 'private moments' that were not intended for them. And for some of us, SL is the only way we can have such moments of intimacy, such as it is, with loved ones who may live thousands of miles away from us in RL.

Personally, I hate having to use ugly and disruptive ban lines and security orbs and other methods to enforce even the simple level of privacy that one could get in RL with a cloth walled tent!

I would greatly prefer to have walls and curtains and doors that actually permitted privacy, and effective tools for eliminating access and preventing disruptive behavior for only those individuals who are actually causing trouble. I'm all for the ability for peaceful, friendly people to freely travel and explore in SL. But that doesn't mean I want to turn my virtual bedroom into their free entertainment.

I dont see ban lines, unfortunately.

I have a neighbor or two or dozens, not sure, but when I move slightly in the air over his property, I am taken about 4000-7000 meters away to the corner of my sim.

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Sorry, but the minute LL does that is the minute LL *stops* getting my $130 a month, and likely gets the same reaction from a lot of other people.

Which means esentially that it's not going to happen.

See my proposal in Feature Requests, regarding visibly identifying damage or push-enabled parcels.

Something like that could be adapted as an optional way of visibly mapping out access-restricted areas so they can be avoided, without cluttering the skies with ugly ban lines.

The visibility distance of the ban lines is something that can be independantly controlled, LL recently reduced the range at which they appear, to the joy of people who don't move fast, and to the consternation of those who do move fast.

I understand the need for access bans, however I find the situation of them being able to continue up indefinately to be wrong, it is possible for an entire region to be cut in 2, and thus prevernt anyone who wishes to fly from flying over an entire zone. The bans should be hard topped at say 50m to 100m above the highest VISIBLE prim in the area (I say visible other wise idiots would through invisible ones up just to grief)

That sound like a security script is ejecting you with extreme force, not parcel bans. It's two different things. It is a TOS violation for a script to do that without at least some warning.

Hi Chronic,

I love that idea However, my neighbor just happens to have a skybox, so she doesn't even see the ban lines. I'm not sure why she even has them turned on in the first place, since they don't protect her skybox. I spoke to her about them before and she turned them off, then they came back on a few days later. Since then, they go off sporadically, but are usually on.

I don't mean her any ill-will, it is her land if she wants to restrict access. However, I do believe other people's views shouldn't have to suffer.

Hopefully this is an issue which could be easily addressed by LL. I was going to do a Proposition, but the guidelines suggested that a forum post should be made first to get feedback, so that is what I am doing.

Thanks everyone for your responses so far.

Actually, there's no NEED for anything in SL... it's just people wanting a little bit of power over their fellow citizens.

Would be nice if ban lines worked in a friendlier way

Instead of being bounced around / jarred, etc. --

Youd just be teleported to opposite end of the parcel and be on your way. Basically as if youd flown through the parcel had it not had access restrictions.

Eliminating the ability to restrict access is stupid, Lewis.

Though I think people should turn off their access restrictions when no one is going to be using the property. Just to make life friendlier.

If you and your SO(s) are offline and someone flies through your rock garden , its not really a big deal.

With that much force, it's against the TOS whether it gives a warning or not.

With regards to ban/access lines generally, I think that they're inadequate as a concept for two reasons :
1) they're ugly - lets face it : they look ugly.
2) they're insecure - they don't stop people scanning through them and they have a height limit.

It would be better, IMHO, to do away with ban/access lines entirely, and simply have a rule that if you cannot access a parcel, you cannot see or interact with any of its contents. That would give better privacy, and do away with ugly ban lines.

I think those red tape thingy's are an eye sore, as much of an eye sore as plywood..

I think that's the reality of it.

To Lewis's credit, the "Your World, Your Imagination." motto is a bit decieving. I think "From each according to their wallets, to each according to their imagination." would be more appropriate.

Hi Ceera,

I read your proposal and it seems like a good suggestion. I can see the relationship between the two issues, although at the moment, my biggest concern is getting rid of my neighbor's ugly ban lines LOL. I will vote for yours, though!

Thanks

LOL, you nailed it right on the head, VolatileWhimsy, I HATE plywood!