Non-Profit Grid?

Now there is an idea.
non profit.
gaming simply for the fun.
I say there is a simple solution to it all.
Do away with l$'s all together.
let people create without the need for greed.
All that enters the world is set as the owner wishes.
You want more land and or a club pay for 2- however many accounts you want.

If you can get 24 others to agree with this idea, I will buy an island for you guys. You will only have to pay $15 per month for a 2048m plot. I would like to name the island Euthanasia.

Though I guess some of that jerking around goes on even in games where the money has no value and there is no official exchange, like in TSO.

Right - what I said.

But they STILL jerked around the money, remember? Dealing with bots by enforcing this "rest time" in maze and other ridiculous measures.

coco

They can enjoy their alts in privacy. But their alts shouldn't be allowed to profit from businesses.

But how about let's save this for when I make the thread.

coco

Most definatly, but tell me what is so wrong with just wanting to build, and have fun? Why does that not seem to be allowed?

Perhaps SL is not the game for you.

OK, now that I've read everything, to the topic:

I remember when you first proposed this, Catherine, and I didn't like the idea then because I like building things and selling them.

But - if there could be all the same SL, with money in it, but a rule that you don't sell the money outside the game or something, then that would be great.

Because the money would still serve as a marker for success, and a means of barter, but there would be no need to constantly bang people (entertainers, usually) over the head so that those who create physical content and sell their Lindens don't have to lose money.

(Notice that? It's always the entertainers who have to lose money; never the physical content creators. Interesting how that works.)

So we would have money and everything, but it would just be worth what money ingame is worth. Whatever someone sold it for on the black market would be immaterial.

And the people who provide entertainment and other services could still make money through dwell.

That, I could go for. Not everyone wants to or needs to sell their Lindens in order to pay their real life bills, or even in order to cover their tier.

Meanwhile, all the ones who get concerned about the value of the Linden relative to the real world (as opposed to being self-contained in the game and relative to nothing outside) could be on this grid.

And while we are at it, let's just make it a rule that those Linden alts running businesses on their alts while controlling the game at the same time would have to restrict those alt businesses to the new grid, where they aren't allowed to exchange their gains for real dollars.

A person could play on both grids, if they wished - but the secret Linden alts would have to restrict their secret profit-making inworld businesses to the new grid.

I didn't do Game Show Channel here a year ago because things were already way skewed against entertaining, and I'm not stupid, so I went for physical content creating. Everything that has happened since reassures me that I made the right choice.

coco

SL can be just like it was a couple of years ago, if you want it to be. That's the beauty of it. It's growing, and extending it's branches out into other areas, yet you can still play it like you did 3 years ago if you so desire. No one is forcing you into the politics side of things. Personally, I would like a tree with lots of strong, healthy branches (capitalism/economics, politics, entertainment, or what have you) over just a trunk, regardless of whether I wish to not climb out onto certain branches. If I want to however, I can just stick to the old trunk, and no one can stop me.

If some people out there say "Make money or get out", "If you hate it so much, find another game", or whatever it is that irks you so badly; so what? They're just opinions of other players, not Lindens. In other words, inconsequential and irrelevant to one's self if you can manage to just realize that the old adage "opinions are just like assholes... everybody has one", has a lot of merit.

"Why can't I just build and have fun?" As several people have stated, you can, but first you need to remember how to have fun, and not dwell on the personal negatives that you see. Remember that perspective is involved heavily in this.

I wish that the rabid capitalists and the rabid anti-capitalists would all take a chill pill. It sometimes feels like being in a tiny country overrun by a war between larger countries. In short, it sucks - just "play" SL the way you want to, and leave others the hell alone.

It's not just a capitalist competition, nor is it a giant hippie sandbox, and it never will be. In time, if SL survives long enough, I reckon that we will see large communities of like minded people coalescing into "towns", for lack of a better term - yes - even on the mainland (there are already a few).

Gosh Martin, I wish I had my own sandbox in the form of island sims, but I don't, and I too sometimes long for the "good old days", but then I remember that there was a lot of things wrong with SL back then, a lot of them no-brainers at that.

This is not possible at this time as money and power corupts every good thing in sl. I love the idea of a barter system, and no exchange of rl funds. I'm working out some of the details on how this could work. I would appreciate your input also as you seem to have a firm grasp of all things SL.

I think it's becoming more and more obvious that there is a large fan base that just wants to use SL as a game and not a means to generate rl income from their account. I also think it would be wise for LL to address the needs of those ppl who wish to use SL for nothing more than personal entertainment.

Cat

Ive sat and watched this thread develop.

As an anarchocommunist slacker, I avoid work in SL.
I socialise
I build for myself, and for fun
I buy stuff from time to time
But at the same time, I have no issues with people having financial success here, on whatever scale.
SL is many things to many people.
Maybe oneday Ill have a wee cottage industry of some sorts, but making money is not a big deal for me here.
SL is where I come to relax and enjoy myself.

Let me try this.

It's not that I want the entertainers to be able to make money more easily.

It's that I don't want things always to be made harder for the entertainers (and service people) just so the physical content creators can make money more easily.

coco

Have you considered, perhaps, that SL is not the game you are looking for?

Something is wrong with this picture .. yes??

the game would turn to crap IMHO, if no real money was involved, then what would be the point for most people to pay for land ect? what benefit would it have to them?

sorry if im missing something