Non-Profit Grid?

I get that feeling too.

I could have sworn you'd made a decision not to use those naughty words anymore, since they were offensive to some people and that made you feel bad.

Not so much, anymore?

You love SL so much you have "quit"... six times now?

You love SL so much that you have attacked it's members constantly for the entierity of the two years I've known you?

You love SL so much that despite the fact you can do everything you claim to want to do, you want LL to make a version of SL just for you?

There is no "turning in to" here, Cat. It's been that way since I joined. Over two years ago now. If there ever was a battle, it was fought long before I joined, and you lost.



Then BUILD.

Go. Build. Don't visit the damn forums, don't ever leave your little plot if you don't want to. Just build to your hearts content. Nobody is stopping you.



Masochists are common, I agree.

In all seriousness, go for it. That's the solution.

A separate grid? Nah, it's not necessary.

What is keeping you from building and having fun?
Buy land, open the build tool, have fun.
Am I missing something here?

Same here. Nobody bothers me about it, either. Nobody has told me to make money or get out.

Is it really that you just don't want Those Types of People playing the same game as you do?

As has been said, what am I missing?

Here's the odd thing. You loved what SL was pre-2004. Now it's 2006. So by your own words you love an SL that hasn't existed for over 2 years. The SL you don't love has existed LONGER than the SL you love.

And you really shouldn't keep saying you don't like what it's turning into. It's not 'turning into' something you don't like, it's ALREADY turned into it. 2 years ago. The SL of 2003 is LONG gone and it ain't coming back!

Enough already.

omg jellin is alive! woo! <3

Only that you don't even need to buy land to build. A sandbox the size of Mauve allows you to build pretty much anything you want and it's social and fun to boot. I had no land for a bit, I'd sold off because I wanted something different, and I didn't stop building for an instant. I just did what I did before I ever had land, went to Mauve and built.

If building is your idea of fun, you are so in luck with SL. You can build forever for free. You can have a basic account and build your heart out in a sandbox. If you don't want to make money, no-one's forcing you, you can hand out your work for free and feel the satisfaction of someone enjoying your work.

This is totally doable. Hell, count me as one of the 24 people, we only need 23 more now.

The neat part about the private islands is, we can make it invisible to the mainland AND make the mainland invisible from it. We can even go so far as to have people create avatars that will only live on our island, those avatars will never be able to go to the mainland.

I am also willing to help eliminate any stipends that the non economic people don't want. We can set up auto pay devices that automatically deduct stipend from those users. This way we can be sure everyone is equally broke.

Why did I click on this hive thing? What is it? And why are you suggesting it?

coco

It's a 2d virtual Ahern built into a chat bubble world. It won't bite.

If I had a dollar for every time I've asked myself that very same question...

Make that 22.

coco

I thought it looked familiar.

coco

Are you bound by a different set of laws and a legal nightmare waiting to happen for SL, yet at the same time a huge market of people willing to spend money on the product?

No?

I didn't think so.

OK, now that I've read everything, to the topic:

I remember when you first proposed this, Catherine, and I didn't like the idea then because I like building things and selling them.

But - if there could be all the same SL, with money in it, but a rule that you don't sell the money outside the game or something, then that would be great.

Because the money would still serve as a marker for success, and a means of barter, but there would be no need to constantly bang people (entertainers, usually) over the head so that those who create physical content and sell their Lindens don't have to lose money.

(Notice that? It's always the entertainers who have to lose money; never the physical content creators. Interesting how that works.)

So we would have money and everything, but it would just be worth what money ingame is worth. Whatever someone sold it for on the black market would be immaterial.

And the people who provide entertainment and other services could still make money through dwell.

That, I could go for. Not everyone wants to or needs to sell their Lindens in order to pay their real life bills, or even in order to cover their tier.

Meanwhile, all the ones who get concerned about the value of the Linden relative to the real world (as opposed to being self-contained in the game and relative to nothing outside) could be on this grid.

And while we are at it, let's just make it a rule that those Linden alts running businesses on their alts while controlling the game at the same time would have to restrict those alt businesses to the new grid, where they aren't allowed to exchange their gains for real dollars.

A person could play on both grids, if they wished - but the secret Linden alts would have to restrict their secret profit-making inworld businesses to the new grid.

I didn't do Game Show Channel here a year ago because things were already way skewed against entertaining, and I'm not stupid, so I went for physical content creating. Everything that has happened since reassures me that I made the right choice.

coco

Why?

Obvious conflict of interests, as well as a complete lack of transparency about it.

coco

you should post more, You're very funny

The lindens have been perfectly transparent about it - lindens are under far more scrutiny and restriction than any other player on their player accounts.

Aside from just throwing around the buzzword, please explain the conflict of interest.

Well, I was just tossing this point in as an aside here; I'm planning a thread on it eventually.

The lack of transparency lies in we don't know who they are. We don't know, for instance, that "Lovely Linden" is also "MachoBill Kojima," who has a large, profitable business in SL.

The conflict of interest is obvious - you have a group of people setting the rules, making policy, making decisions, enforcing discipline, and with access to player information. (And only Lindens can do any of that.)

At the same time, the same people are actually participating and profiting from their participation in and/or ownership of businesses in SL itself - profiting from other residents.

That is a conflict of interest, and the lack of transparency as to who they really are is just another advantage they shouldn't enjoy.

coco

1) There's no alternative. Do you think they would have a hope or a prayer of enjoying SL if there was a list of "Bug these people if no lindens are online!"?

2) It's not really your buisness if they aren't harming you.



Your average linden is no more involved in making rules than you or I. The average linden is glorified live help, no offense to live help or lindens. They enforce dicipline as they are instructed. And they are monitored heavily to prevent them from abusing their power.

Whats it matter if their alt is making kewl chairs that people are buying? Who is hurt?



Why shouldn't they enjoy a transparency of who they are?

They can enjoy their alts in privacy. But their alts shouldn't be allowed to profit from businesses.

But how about let's save this for when I make the thread.

coco

Now there is an idea.
non profit.
gaming simply for the fun.
I say there is a simple solution to it all.
Do away with l$'s all together.
let people create without the need for greed.
All that enters the world is set as the owner wishes.
You want more land and or a club pay for 2- however many accounts you want.