Morality of Second Life Sex & Prostitution

I am a guy. I have a wife. She has me as a husband. Normal? Yes.

I pay for an erotic book. I abuse myself. Still normal? I think so.

I make a transaction with a person in SL who presents me with erotic words and cartoon pictures. Still normal? Sure, if you accepted the last situation!

So why do we call this prostitution? Seems a bit silly to me. Seems to me that we losing sight of reality here.

In RL, women are more often then not forced in prostitution. This is bad, no matter how you look at it.

But in SL, I can hardly imagine that.

Prostitution is a choice. You can always log off...

If they are forced into it, that's slavery, not prostitution.

Are you serious? Do you do any research before posting, or do you function on heresay, theories and supposition?
There is a legal system in place which requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt for the defendant to be found guilty. That means that a jury, comprised of his peers, must deem the evidence put forth by the prosecution to adequately show the burden of proof.
And since when does your job dictate how you should act? If I want to be a police officer and get manicures every week, I will!
It's stated in several journals, that women have a higher threshold for pain. This is scientifically proven. Are women the weaker sex? I don't think so, I think each has strengths and weaknesses.
You know what puts women down? Ignorance. Think about it.

So, what we need in SL is undercover cops to arrest the prostitutes and their johns?

And you can assert this with confidence because..? Have you done extensive research and asked them all their rl details, or are you just making an uninformed sweeping guess and presenting it as fact?

Personally, I don't care what ppl choose to do in their SL or RL... but when they proposition my man... a bitch is gunna die.. whether it's a man OR a girl behind the AV. He's PARTNERED , does partnering not mean anything to anyone these days! DOES IT NOT!?

GOT IT!



K, rant over

Sometimes people are partnered for business reasons too. Make sure you have something in your pf too.

Hon, sorry to burst your bubble...

If your man is looking for it elsewhere, *he* is at fault, not the girl he hires...

Do you have a reading comprehension issue? She said that other girls proposition her obviously partnered man. Not that he goes looking for it.

Yeah, what Kris said. HE was approched, not the other way around. So it's ok, no bubble burst. Belive me, he has NO cause to look elsewhere

Bit sad when you gotta tout for business, no?

LOL, it's all over BOTH of our profiles. I don't really mind that much, it was more of a sarcastic response to the thread, but it *does* annoy me how ppl (both sexes) find it acceptable to try and lure someone out of a relationship for some "fun", but I guess thats just me!

men are worse > : ( they see a bloody parner in a profile as a foocking challenge .. **stabs them in the throat**

The following was presented to the 1997 International Conference on Prostitution at Cal State University, Northridge. It was republished in 1998 in an anthology entitled Prostitution: On Whores, Hustlers, and Johns by Prometheus Books.


Women perceive that they have historically been—and still are—victims of both direct and subtle forms of male oppression. Feminist beliefs vary widely as to the most effective way to end this oppression. The practice of prostitution in society is thought by radical feminists to reinforce and perpetuate this climate of oppression. Radicals and liberals, however, are divided about the role of prostitution, seeing it in a range of perspectives from that of an ordinary business transaction to an activity that degrades all women. It follows then that there is also a difference of opinion on whether prostitutes are victims—and should be protected by eliminating the source of prostitution—or should be considered free agents pursuing their legitimate economic interests.

Why the distinction between hiring yourself for sex and hiring yourself for computer skills?

What is it that makes a person who hires their body out any less worthy than a shop assistant who hires themselves out to an employer?

The objective is the same, cash in pocket. The result of being hired is the same, an expectation of performance in return for financial gain.

Anyone who works is in exactly the same position, hiring your body/mind for reward. Be that a hooker or a a CEO.

Get over the moral turpitude.

The days of Victorian morality when even piano legs were covered up, has long passed.

As for the 'it's my partner and s/he better not'. What trite old fashioned rubbish. I have a partner, I do not own her, if she wishes to work, sell her body as a hooker or have sex with someone else, that is her right and mine to deal with. If I don't like it, then I need to get out of the relationship, not make some pathetic squeal that its not right. Why is it not right? Because I don't like it? Well there are alot of things in life I don't like and those things I don't get involved in, thats is my right.

Never mind emancipation, this RL/SL seems to be about owning someone else and telling them what is or is not acceptable, where is the emancipation in that?

As for the employer who doesn't approve of sex workers, well that is their right as well. They employ staff they don't want involved in the sex industry. Fine, sack them and if you are sacked, get over it. You hired yourself out to an employer, s/he no longer wants it. Get a new job. In my own opinion, that employer sucks, but it is their business and therefore their right.

Laws on the other hand, make a difference and yes there is a crazy situation in many countries where prostitution is illegal, at some point in the exchange, well my message to that is the same, get over it. What is so sacrosanct about sex that makes a consenting adult incapable of making a decision? Don't give me the Christian or religious ethics bit, as that sways with the wind, it used to be immoral to be gay, but now that thanks to sense is acceptable.

Let people get on with their life, go with the flow as we only live once (or twice with SL, or even more with some alts).

To the OP, sometimes life sucks, peope berate you for being black, white, gay, straight, intelligent, stupid, a shop worker, a hooker.

It comes, not just with the territory, but with life. Some groups get more abuse than others, if you can't stand the heat then get out and do something else.

Glad you are not generalising from a position of ignorance.

Gah I hate that, Richie got propositioned too, it's like, don't you read our profiles? they're LOADED with txt with mushy crap about each other >.<

ick.

Originally Posted by Vares Solvang
"Uhm Lynn....almost all of the "escorts" in SL are men in rl."




Actually, according to research done by a leading online diploma mill, all the escorts in SL are actually just one guy, a 72-year old retired bagel salesman from Newark named "Murray." He migrated here from TSO during Beta and the rest, as they say, is history.. They also say he's good....reeealll good.

1. The sexes aren't equal, because people coddle women. It's the same with races. When you watch tv commercials almost INVARIABLY, the only person who's allowed to be a moron is the white male. Not to mention how many men are in abusive marriages, but it gets covered up in favour of the statistics for women in abusive marriages. Breast cancer always trumps testicular cancer, and so forth... It's a brutal fact. In some places, women are treated like crap and I'll admit that, but not everywhere. It's like the billboard sony put up in denmark (or somewhere) advertising the white PSP with a white woman in white grabbing a black woman in black. It's offensive because the differences are still there. If we were really equal, no one would care, because their intentions would be clear (to highlight white psps taking over where black psps were only available before) and not the unintentionally negative message on the surface. Sony was being naive in making this ad, thinking it would be okay, tho.
2. I'm a girl in RL, and honestly, before Iris, the last time I had a female account on a MMO World of any kind, including MUDs and MUCKs and whatevers was probably 5 years ago when I was in grade 10 RPing Sailor Moon. I started taking male characters after that, because being a female is usually more trouble than it's worth. ........ Except on WoW. Then people give you lots of free swag.

This is a myth. Sure, *some SLescorts are probably male, but not as many as you're claiming. Some females around SL in general are actually male too, I fail to see the problem here. If you polled most escort clients, you'll find they don't really care either.

To the OP: The whole foundation of your question is flawed. Equating sexuality with morality has no real practical value. I realize it's what our Puritan forefathers would have us believe but there were cultural reasons they held those beliefs - certainly most of the civilizations that came before them didn't see sex that way. Why do we have to stay stuck in the Puritan rut of ignorance and superstition?

Moral issues would include lying, cheating, physically assaulting, purposely spreading disease or endangering a child.

Consentual sex between two adults, on the other hand, has nothing to do with morals and should never involve the law or the government. Ever. It's none of their goddam business.

Mary Kay went to jail for seven years because she violated the terms of her plea agreement. Her sentence had been withheld under the stipulation that she not see Villi or speak to him... So she actually did "get off" with no sentence -- until she was found exploring a back seat with him on the side of the road somewhere only a month later. The judge was very upset and threw her in jail for the maximum sentence.

I think one of the girls you are referring to is Debra LeFave, from Florida (?). If I am remembering right, because the boy's family wanted to limit his involvement, as of this past spring the case had been dropped.

I also recall hearing about a few similar cases since LeFave's. It is hard to generalize how fairly women are being prosecuted for their crimes. There is a recent (I don't know if it has been resolved) case out west of the middle-aged woman who was impregnated by her 15-year-old boyfriend and then married him in order to take advantage of a legal loophole -- but it did not work and she is being held and prosecuted anyway.

Even if morally the crime is the same no matter which gender commits it, I think there are some differences in the male vs female abuser psychology and the relationships they have with their victims that have contributed to inequity in how the guilty are treated.

(*blush* Sorry, this just happened to be something I had followed in the news...)

I have problems with all parties involved here...

First with the 'other woman' (Willow didn't say she was a prostitute, just that she propositioned). This strikes me as being stupid and exhibition horribly bad manners, but that's all it strikes me as being.

Now with respect to Willow, I have a couple of problems as well. The first is the term "my man". I'm not sure what the terms of the partnership were with the gentleman, but I doubt the terms included ownership.

The second problem I have is that she speaks of a partnership (i.e. a contract) between her and the gentleman. I sincerely doubt the 'other woman' was also a party of this contract and probably she wasn't even aware of the terms of the agreement. As such, while manners may suggest she respect such a contract, she has absolutely no obligation to do so.

I know some of you would say that such a contract is implied in the profiles. And to some extent this is true. But I have found many forms of partnership contracts in my life, and even find more variety of partnership contracts in SL (for example, a friend of mine is in a 4 way marriage). Willow cannot impose on the other woman the knowledge that it was a specific form of a partnership.

What I would recommend for a situation like this would be for the gentleman to thank the other woman, but then explain the he was not available. If Willow trusted her partner, then she need not even get involved.

Now if she doesn't trust her partner, that's a new bucket of worms.

Well in that case, he'll say no. No poblem then...

What are you talking about?

Firstly, I am here, you don't have to talk about me in third party.

No, I don't own him, but we have a commitment, a MUTUAL one, one we both take very seriously both in SL and RL. You don't even know what type of relationship we have, how do you know we aren't into slave and master "ownership" stuff? Albeit, we aren't (just don't tell him that)

I don't blame her for trying to get some business for her "job" (yes she was a prostitute) at all, and no, she would not know if he was partnered in a relationship sense, oh, apart from that whole "Willow is my soulmate" type line in his profile.

I didn't get involved, because Gidd can handle those kinds of situations himself, I am merely stating that morally, it isn't something I would do, and I am perfectly within my rights to do so.

It isn't about trust, it's about morals. Which I thought is what this thread was about.