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Morality of Second Life Sex & Prostitution

Lynn Kukulcan
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07-12-2006 20:01
A woman was kind enough to say that prostitution sets back women's rights by decades. But women don't want to be the equals of men. One need only look at the rules of sex irl.

In the United States, at least, the woman can just say it happened 100 years ago, and guess what? Someone goes to prison. Isn't that just grand? Thus, I would argue that the feminists have actually crossed the line and gone *too* far.

Today, we have a lot of people claiming to have been touched just to get others in trouuble. How many registered sex offenders did not actually commit a crime? Without proof, we will never know.

What's more, consentual sex can be called rape. What's bad about this is even with a high standard of evidence this can not be disproven.

The laws do not apply equally to men and women. Men get charged with crimes and get heavy penalties. Women tend to get smacks on the wrist, if anything at all.

The feminists have made leaps and bounds, now the guys don't stand a chance in hell.

But back to sex and morality. Is sex so degrading in Second Life? Is prostitution in Second Life so degrading?

My opinion is it doesn't matter. I personally wouldn't do it, but I'm a crazy oddball girl, anyway. So let's hear you thoughts.
Schwanson Schlegel
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07-12-2006 20:04
From: Lynn Kukulcan
So let's hear you thoughts.


That's hot.
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Phedre Aquitaine
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07-12-2006 20:14
Where to begin.

From: someone
A woman was kind enough to say that prostitution sets back women's rights by decades. But women don't want to be the equals of men. One need only look at the rules of sex irl.


Excuse me? I don't want to be subjugated based on my gender, which sort of assumes equality, at least in my case. Generalisation one: dismissed.

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In the United States, at least, the woman can just say it happened 100 years ago, and guess what? Someone goes to prison. Isn't that just grand? Thus, I would argue that the feminists have actually crossed the line and gone *too* far.


I wish that my experience of the legal system after being sexually abused was that easy - and that was as a child, against a known abuser. I've known and known of many women who have gone against sexual predators and been dismissed and belittled.

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Today, we have a lot of people claiming to have been touched just to get others in trouuble. How many registered sex offenders did not actually commit a crime? Without proof, we will never know.


I have mixed feelings about sex offender registries. I don't think that statutory offenses based on an 18 year old diddling his seventeen year old girlfriend should mark him for life as a sexual predator, just... less discreet than he should have been.

It takes a lot, however, to get someone into trouble.

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What's more, consentual sex can be called rape. What's bad about this is even with a high standard of evidence this can not be disproven.


If either partner says no or the prearranged safeword, it is no longer consensual to continue. It's generally a bad idea to schtup someone who is not sober anyways, since consent isn't viewed as being legitimate in that case.

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The laws do not apply equally to men and women. Men get charged with crimes and get heavy penalties. Women tend to get smacks on the wrist, if anything at all.


Examples, please? I'm not familiar with this.

From: someone
The feminists have made leaps and bounds, now the guys don't stand a chance in hell.


Again, not in my experience; take a good gander at the number of women in positions of political authority or on the boards of corporations to get an idea of what I mean.

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But back to sex and morality. Is sex so degrading in Second Life? Is prostitution in Second Life so degrading?

My opinion is it doesn't matter. I personally wouldn't do it, but I'm a crazy oddball girl, anyway. So let's hear you thoughts.


Is it degrading? Well, if it's done /right/... ;)
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Jon Hunt
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07-12-2006 20:23
I have nothing against sex or prostitution or sex offenders going to jail, however I do feel society governs men and women differently with the laws and even basic every day life.

examples?

easy. Teacher has sex with an underage STUDENT. Just this alone is grounds for jail time. she gets off with a slap of the wrist.

It was all over the news I'm sure you've seen it.

And that was only the most blatant.
Phedre Aquitaine
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07-12-2006 20:26
Mary Kay Letourneau.
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Circe Timtam
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07-12-2006 20:30
didn't she go to jail?
Phedre Aquitaine
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07-12-2006 20:31
For seven years.

A slap on the wrist, yes? ;)
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Julia Banshee
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07-12-2006 20:33
From: Lynn Kukulcan
A woman was kind enough to say that prostitution sets back women's rights by decades. But women don't want to be the equals of men.

Many of the most degrading things said about women are said whenever any one woman steps forward to present "the women's point of view", as if we were all of one mind (or to put it another way, as if we only have one mind between us). Men can have various views on things, but if you're a woman, you're supposed to have some particular view due to that fact.

How about starting sentences off with "I want..." or "I don't want..." if that's what you mean, rather than presuming to speak for others merely because they happen to be women. Stereotyping women is no less degrading when done by another woman...
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07-12-2006 20:34
From: Phedre Aquitaine
For seven years.

A slap on the wrist, yes? ;)



that was the SECOND girl, after the court took a huge hit because the first teacher got off with a slap on the wrist. the second teacher to do it got caught.
Phedre Aquitaine
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07-12-2006 20:35
From: Jon Hunt
that was the SECOND girl, after the court took a huge hit because the first teacher got off with a slap on the wrist. the second teacher to do it got caught.


Hmm, who is the first girl?
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Redsox Wilberg
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07-12-2006 20:40
From: Phedre Aquitaine
Mary Kay Letourneau.


She married him last year.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/21/letourneau.wedding/index.html

(CNN) -- A teacher who served more than seven years in prison for raping one of her sixth-grade students is now married to that former student.

They already have two children.

Mary Kay Letourneau, 43, married Vili Fualaau, now 22, in Woodinville, Washington, outside Seattle Friday.

Letourneau was released from prison in August after serving seven and a half years for raping a child. Fualaau was 13 -- and a student in Letourneau's class -- when the two began a sexual relationship.

She gave birth to their daughter shortly after her 1997 conviction.

She served six months and was released on probation, but was ordered to serve her full sentence after she and Fualaau were found together in a van, in violation of a no-contact order.

She gave birth to their second daughter while in prison.

Letourneau told CNN's Larry King last year that their daughters regularly visited her in prison while living with Fualaau's mother. She said her relationship with her four children from her previous marriage was not as close.

Letourneau told King she did not know having a sexual relationship with Fualaau was a felony.

"It just -- I knew it just didn't -- just wasn't normal," she said. "It's not that I wouldn't have still had feelings, or that he wouldn't still have feelings, but ... I don't know how anyone does something knowing something's a felony."

During her October appearance on "Larry King Live" Letourneau said she planned to begin volunteering in a program to aid incarcerated women and said she may look for a paid job as a legal research assistant or a teacher at a community college.

She said Fualaau, who never finished high school, was not working.
Arsenic Soyinka
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07-12-2006 20:44
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as long as women have autonomy over their own vagina,
then how she uses it is her own choice ...

prostitution will always exist for any number of reasons .... good and bad

altho ... in my opinion, if she surrenders it to a psychopathic brute
in the Bore-Gor World, thats when she sets back the clock 10,000 years ...



*.¸¸.·´¨*Arsenic

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Phedre Aquitaine
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07-12-2006 20:46
From: Arsenic Soyinka
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as long as women have autonomy over their own vagina,
then how she uses it is her own choice ...

prostitution will always exist for any number of reasons .... good and bad

altho ... in my opinion, if she surrenders it to a psychopathic brute
in the Bore-Gor World, thats when she sets back the clock 10,000 years ...



*.¸¸.·´¨*Arsenic

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Hell, even that's consensual. I'm my husband's "pet", but I'm also a vocal feminist. It was my choice, and that's all I ever wanted.
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Wrom Morrison
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07-12-2006 20:49
Would it make you happy if there were some straight male pro's?
Phedre Aquitaine
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07-12-2006 20:50
From: Wrom Morrison
Would it make you happy if there were some straight male pro's?


If they wanted to be there, I don't care either way. ^_^
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Arsenic Soyinka
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07-12-2006 20:54
From: Phedre Aquitaine
Hell, even that's consensual. I'm my husband's "pet", but I'm also a vocal feminist. It was my choice, and that's all I ever wanted.


ya know ...
i was gonna add an ... i know i know someone will say thats her choice too
but too late now ...

but there is a difference of being put on a pedestal and just plain abuse

blessed be ... that you got the right ingerdients ;)


btw ... i hope you didnt undercook that pasta heh



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Phedre Aquitaine
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07-12-2006 21:00
Al dente.

I've met men who were Goreans and decent, non-abusive, and kind to their partners. *shrug*
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Vares Solvang
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07-12-2006 21:09
Uhm Lynn....almost all of the "escorts" in SL are men in rl. I wonder how their customers deal with that knowledge, because surely they know. Maybe they just convince themselves that they got the one rl female in SL?
Lynn Kukulcan
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07-12-2006 21:23
From: Phedre Aquitaine
It takes a lot, however, to get someone into trouble.


I dunno. There's no requirement for evidence of any kind. There's no requirement for anything except her say so. So it must take a very great deal to make a guy a sex offender.

From: Phedre Aquitaine
Examples, please? I'm not familiar with this.


I met a female sex offender. She was going to court for failure to register. For the third time. You know what she got for this third failure to register felony charge? "Don't do it again!"

From: Phedre Aquitaine
Again, not in my experience; take a good gander at the number of women in positions of political authority or on the boards of corporations to get an idea of what I mean.


Ahh. I was referring to a woman I heard about some years ago. She got a job as a carpenter in construction. She wanted to be treated as a guy, so she was. They took her to a bar, started saying what guys do {believe me, it isn't pretty} and she got all huffy and asked them to tone down their maleness because she was a poor old sensative girl.

Also, a lot of girls complain when asked to do things that guys are normally asked to do. They don't want to face certain risks.

A part of our societal rules are: Women are pampered, men are brutalized. This is because a man can "take it" whereas a woman can not.

If you want to see a perfect example of the architypal male, please look through the posts for Jonas. He is the perfect example of what a male should be in our society. Anything less is well, a "wuss."

How many Jonas' are there? I hope that won't get me in trouble!
Lynn Kukulcan
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07-12-2006 21:24
From: Arsenic Soyinka
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as long as women have autonomy over their own vagina,
then how she uses it is her own choice ...

prostitution will always exist for any number of reasons .... good and bad

altho ... in my opinion, if she surrenders it to a psychopathic brute
in the Bore-Gor World, thats when she sets back the clock 10,000 years ...



*.¸¸.·´¨*Arsenic

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You know? I agree with you. *Shudders*

Of course, I'm a die hard lesbian.
Lynn Kukulcan
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07-12-2006 21:24
From: Wrom Morrison
Would it make you happy if there were some straight male pro's?


I met a few. *Giggles*
Lynn Kukulcan
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07-12-2006 21:27
From: Vares Solvang
Uhm Lynn....almost all of the "escorts" in SL are men in rl. I wonder how their customers deal with that knowledge, because surely they know. Maybe they just convince themselves that they got the one rl female in SL?


*Grins* You know, I *really* started this because of a crass gentleman, and now I'm laughing!

I know what you mean, though. In another game, a MUD, most of the exotic females are played by horndog guys!

*Laughs some more*
Angelique LaFollette
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07-12-2006 22:07
I just have one question, I think it's relevant and Valid so i would Like Honest answers to it rather than Rhetoric.

The question is this;
If you are neither a Prostitute, Nor a frequenter of Prostitutes in SL, Just how is this whole situation any of your Business anyway?
I can't Honestly say i see any way anyone Other than the prostitute or her Client are materially affected by their transactions.
They are adults in an adult Environment engaging in Concensual acts, so, where is YOUR stake in all of this?

Angel.
Marti Marx
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What is Morality
07-12-2006 22:27
Morality:
Morality is a system of principles and judgments based on cultural, religious, and philosophical concepts and beliefs, by which humans determine whether given actions are right or wrong.

The question is, do you have freedom to use your own body how you see fit. If you disagree with it in SL or RL... then don't engage in it. Frankly, I'm getting rather sick of people trying to regulate who I marry and who I can copulate with. IMO, as long as the action between one or more consenting adults, why is it anyones business?
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07-12-2006 22:32
From: Schwanson Schlegel
That's hot.


That's hot too.
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