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Argent Stonecutter
Emergency Mustelid
Join date: 20 Sep 2005
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03-09-2006 14:00
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Aimee Weber
The one on the right
Join date: 30 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,286
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03-09-2006 14:00
There already is. It's called Greeters and Mentors. It all depends whether the newbie actually wants to learn about the game and all it offers, or whether they just want to go off in search of pixels to hump, as unfortunately we can only help them as much as they want to. Lewis I wasn't aware that Greeters and Mentors did that. I thought they largely stuck to SL basics such as how to use the software, how to fine tune for performance, etc etc. If new users actually ARE being warned about scams, griefing, and pitfalls in SL, but continue to fall them, well meh! Let them learn the hard way! _____________________
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Ewan Took
Mad Hairy Scotsman
Join date: 5 Dec 2004
Posts: 579
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03-09-2006 14:03
I find it amusing how people refer to "my friend" this and "my friend" that. The beauty of Second Life is, everyone is entitled to their imaginary friend. ROFL, so very true. _____________________
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Eggy Lippmann
Wiktator
Join date: 1 May 2003
Posts: 7,939
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03-09-2006 14:17
I find it amusing how people refer to "my friend" this and "my friend" that. The beauty of Second Life is, everyone is entitled to their imaginary friend. Thank you for not-so-subtly insinuating that I am a liar. My friend's name is Vanessa Margarida, she is a 23 year old self-employed designer. I met her... an eon ago. She is an ex-girlfriend of my best friend David, and they remained friends after breaking up amicably, also an eon ago. Actually - this is sorta funny - David broke up with her because he came to the conclusion that he actually liked guys. If you search around the forums you might see me talking about him. We went to college together, and still go out every saturday night, with her and a bunch of other friends. She likes Anime, and listens to Mylene Farmer. The picture below shows them, along with half of me.  _____________________
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Eggy Lippmann
Wiktator
Join date: 1 May 2003
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03-09-2006 14:30
What I did was "After you get signed up, let me know your SL name and I'll drop a bunch of great stuff on you. Don't bother buying anything until then... there's free stuff that's totally as cool as the expensive stuff." This is a great idea. I should go and round up a bunch of freebies. Regardless of how my initial post might have sounded, I have brought dozens of people to SL. Heck, for a while there most of my money came from referrals. _____________________
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Argent Stonecutter
Emergency Mustelid
Join date: 20 Sep 2005
Posts: 20,263
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03-09-2006 14:36
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Gus Plisskin
Registered User
Join date: 8 Feb 2005
Posts: 84
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03-09-2006 14:36
Or, my own favorite example, which sounds more appetizing: a steak, or the heated muscle tissue of a castrated bull?  |
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Gabe Lippmann
"Phone's ringing, Dude."
Join date: 14 Jun 2004
Posts: 4,219
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03-09-2006 14:45
Given all the resources available to figure out what to do and the assumption that, as adults, people have some understanding of human nature....
Hell, I give up. A Mandatory Initiation for Secondlife Habitant: Every new player should be assumed to be a blank slate, never having interacted with people, never having even used a computer before and is unable to read from the various sources (due to a failure of Institutional Educational Systems, not because they aren't bright). These new residents should then be attached to the hip of a player of no less than 1 year old, who has demonstrated knowledge of SL and fidelity to LL. The new players should not be able to log on unless their Shadow is online and has checked a box indicating they have time to deal with the new player. After a period of 2 months, the new player may, at that time (if the Shadow feels the player is ready) be released to roam free at the Orientation Island. After 3.5 weeks at Orientation without a Shadow, the new player may then move back into SL proper on their own. _____________________
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Burke Prefect
Cafe Owner, Superhero
Join date: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 2,785
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03-09-2006 14:49
I know, Jamie. Pretty soon it'll be a completely communist society like WoW.
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Eggy Lippmann
Wiktator
Join date: 1 May 2003
Posts: 7,939
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03-09-2006 15:02
man, that game has a really great rendering engine, but I think they're overdoing the fog effect, and you want to turn your gamma up when you take screen grabs at night. You have better pictures here: http://flickr.com/photos/55968824@N00/sets/ _____________________
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Cocoanut Cookie
Registered User
Join date: 26 Jan 2006
Posts: 1,741
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03-09-2006 15:27
Tell your friend Coco says to come play the game! Tell her it costs nothing! And I'd like to meet her.
coco _____________________
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Aimee Weber
The one on the right
Join date: 30 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,286
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03-09-2006 15:37
You have better pictures here: http://flickr.com/photos/55968824@N00/sets/ Can I see a picture of your friend with fingers up her nose? _____________________
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Eggy Lippmann
Wiktator
Join date: 1 May 2003
Posts: 7,939
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03-09-2006 15:49
Can I see a picture of your friend with fingers up her nose? She's not a crazy hobag like you, Aimee  Believe it or not, I'm talking to her right now. The three of us are gonna watch Transamerica tomorrow! Woo! \o/ _____________________
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Wildefire Walcott
Heartbreaking
Join date: 8 Nov 2005
Posts: 2,156
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03-09-2006 16:43
1) "Oh, uh, careful out there, it's full of sex and nudity everywhere. Hope that's ok with you." 2) "Ah, and btw, if you buy first land, don't sell it. People will try to rip you off." 3) "Also - don't buy anything. Everyone's out to take advantage of you, they resell freebies." Can't help but feel I'm late to the party on this one, but still... my own SL sales pitch to friends is similar to yours in structure, but vastly different in tone: 1) "Lots of sex and nudity! Wanna be a domme? slave? gay/bi/straight? pony girl? neko chick? hermaphroditic forest creature? They've got it all!" 2) "Shop. Til. You. Drop." 3) "Uh- I think you can like buy land and make stuff, but who's got time for that with all the foolin' around and shopping?" Also, regarding the "new user experience:" After having gotten two friends to join, and a number of other friends who already had accounts (but had stopped playing soon after creating them) to get back on, I feel that LL does a pretty good job of getting newbies familiar with the basic controls, but not such a good job helping people figure out what they want to do once they get off the tutorial island. I know we've got a nice Find dialog, but really it's not as useful as it could be in terms of finding places that suit your interests. I just know that when I joined up a few months ago I had simply no idea how big SL was or what I could do there. (My friends who recently followed me back here all said the same thing.) I never left the welcome area and didn't play for three months until I was bored one day and wondered how pretty I could make my grotesque fresh-off-the-island avatar with Pippi Longstocking pigtails. |
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Khamon Fate
fategardens.net
Join date: 21 Nov 2003
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03-09-2006 17:33
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SuezanneC Baskerville
Forums Rock!
Join date: 22 Dec 2003
Posts: 14,229
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03-09-2006 18:05
A person coming into SL now can if they wish hang at the Help Island and get instruction on a wide variety of things, they dont' need to to just wander in and get ripped off by people selling them freebies or cars they [don't] need or any of that sort of stuff.
A new member can join New Citizen's and the Shelter groups, among others that I never seem to be able to remember the name of, and get shown around, taught again, get advice, and generally be treated very nicely. Plus there's the Greeter program. And anyone wanting help from an SL mentor or other volunteer group can ask for such in Live Help . [edit - i meant inworld, not forum] People do have considerable choice over what kind of initial experience they have in SL. As for what we need in SL, we need more dresses with hemlines that are short but not micro-mini skirt length. This is an actual need, like the need for food and water _____________________
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Zapoteth Zaius
Is back
Join date: 14 Feb 2004
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03-09-2006 18:19
Wow, Eggy. What an amazing presentation. I can't think of any reason why you failed to convert that customer.  Anyway. Here's a DELICIOUS cheeseburger I grilled up just for you! It's got mushrooms and swisscheese, too! I see you're very eager to eat it, but let me tell you a few things, first. 1) The cow who died to make this meat probably had an air hammer smash through its skull as a means of execution. 2) Mushrooms are a fungus. Kind of like mold. They grow in dark places, often on dead things that smell bad. 3) Between all this beef, mushroom and cheese, there are a lot of calories in this meal. Especially if you have that beer with it! Consume this combination too often and you might die of a painful heart attack as your wife watches you, life fading from your eyes, terror written all over her face as she screams into the telephone for an ambulance, realizing that she'll now have to raise your children all alone. What? What do you mean, you don't want to eat it? It's delicious! Come back here! OMG, hahaha. My eyes are watering.. You are a dangerous man Enabran.. _____________________
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Chip Midnight
ate my baby!
Join date: 1 May 2003
Posts: 10,231
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03-09-2006 18:58
I think a lot of us forget what its like to be a new player in SL - we've been around long enough to see lots of examples of the bad or seedy side, and we forget what made SL so exciting to discover in the first place. Exactly! This is why I get annoyed by old-timers ranting in the forums about relatively minor things. It's not that I don't understand the frustrations that can come with knowing SL intimately and becoming impatient for new features, bug fixes, or whatever else. What bothers me is that it steals the thunder from new people and it can make them jaded before their time. Everything that made SL so cool to those of us who were here two years ago is still cool! It's still just as potentially exciting, liberating, and fun to new people. Why piss in their garden just because the bloom is off your rose? _____________________
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Jopsy Pendragon
Perpetual Outsider
Join date: 15 Jan 2004
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03-09-2006 19:24
Exactly! This is why I get annoyed by old-timers ranting in the forums about relatively minor things. It's not that I don't understand the frustrations that can come with knowing SL intimately and becoming impatient for new features, bug fixes, or whatever else. What bothers me is that it steals the thunder from new people and it can make them jaded before their time. Everything that made SL so cool to those of us who were here two years ago is still cool! It's still just as potentially exciting, liberating, and fun to new people. Why piss in their garden just because the bloom is off your rose? Well said! Ultimately it's all about the people, and connecting with them. It's easy to become tired and jaded with newbies because, well, it's hard to relate to them and their boisterous (Hey! I have fireworks!) enthusiasm (Whee! A watermelon gun! Bonk Bonk!) which was fun so long ago but now... Anyway. The ratio of interesting new person to rude tourist is a little whacked at the moment, more so in some places than others. It's easy to hide in the sky with old friends, but not as fun as it was the world was newer to us. -- Hey Look! I've got a motorcycle *bump* *bump* Shush kid, I'm trolling the forums. |
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SuezanneC Baskerville
Forums Rock!
Join date: 22 Dec 2003
Posts: 14,229
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Eggy Lippman Revealed
03-09-2006 19:25
Based on the the photo provided and the statement "half of me" I have constructed a computer projection of Eggy Lippmann's complete RL appearance.
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Eggy Lippmann
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Join date: 1 May 2003
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03-09-2006 19:29
Exactly! This is why I get annoyed by old-timers ranting in the forums about relatively minor things. It's not that I don't understand the frustrations that can come with knowing SL intimately and becoming impatient for new features, bug fixes, or whatever else. What bothers me is that it steals the thunder from new people and it can make them jaded before their time. Everything that made SL so cool to those of us who were here two years ago is still cool! It's still just as potentially exciting, liberating, and fun to new people. Why piss in their garden just because the bloom is off your rose? Chip, with all due respect, what made SL so cool for me was that in the beginning we were all Early Adopters - instead of 90% of people being clueless, 90% were creative, intelligent thinkers, and that LL's vision seemed, at the time, to focus on creativity instead of what we have now: promoting SL as a place where jobless losers can come and make money, without specifying how. So people come here intent on making money, and take the path of least resistance - predatory behavior. Let's put things into perspective here: people get suspended for firing a harmless virtual weapon at an immaterial doll! How is that griefing while planting ugly signs everywhere isn't? Because they are kindly letting people remove them by paying an exorbitant sum for the land underneath? Is it the "free market" forces that make newbies sell their land for L$1/meter or are they being deceived and defrauded? What's this adding to the community and to the user experience? Is it not actually detracting from it? We need to raise the bar. We need to keep raising the bar until SL is actually more popular and fun than everything else out there. That necessarily involves getting rid of malicious people who negatively impact others' experience and impression of SL for their own gain. It should also involve rewarding people with highly positive contributions, such as the most active volunteers. _____________________
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SuezanneC Baskerville
Forums Rock!
Join date: 22 Dec 2003
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03-09-2006 19:35
I am also sort of wondering, if one has a real life friend they want to introduce to SL, why isn't one making sure to be there when they log in and get them off to a good start in person? Can't be there all the time because of RL constraints? Get some folks you know and trust to look after the personally known n00b.
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SuezanneC Baskerville
Forums Rock!
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03-09-2006 19:38
We need to keep raising the bar until SL is actually more popular and fun than everything else out there. _____________________
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So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan - |
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Chip Midnight
ate my baby!
Join date: 1 May 2003
Posts: 10,231
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03-09-2006 19:54
I understand where you're coming from, Eggy. Really I do. But the thing I think you're forgetting is that new people aren't going to see the world through your eyes. It's new to them so they aren't going to be comparing the here and now to some long gone golden age. What annoys you isn't offset by the good things because the good things are mostly been there done that already for you. That's not how it is for someone new. Maybe they won't like it. Maybe all the things that annoy you will annoy them. Let them figure that out without expecting them to see the world as you do.
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Jauani Wu
pancake rabbit
Join date: 7 Apr 2003
Posts: 3,835
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03-09-2006 20:13
So the other day I invited a friend of mine to join SL... here I was telling her about how cool SL is, how it's the ideal place for a creative person like her, and that she could make a lot of money here... so she asks for the URL, and I give it to her, with the following remarks: 1) "Oh, uh, careful out there, it's full of sex and nudity everywhere. Hope that's ok with you." 2) "Ah, and btw, if you buy first land, don't sell it. People will try to rip you off." 3) "Also - don't buy anything. Everyone's out to take advantage of you, they resell freebies." She ended up not joining SL after all When will LL realize that absolute freedom is anarchy, and that they should NOT follow the ToS very strictly unless they are willing to continuously search for and document abusive behavior in them? are you serious? read this story again but pretend i'm narrating it. your response will be "j-wu are you daft?!" _____________________
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