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Gabe Lippmann
"Phone's ringing, Dude."
Join date: 14 Jun 2004
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07-24-2006 09:09
From: Aodhan McDunnough An image of Mohammed will be even worse.
If I recall correctly Islam completely forbids creating any images of Mohammed. That's the reason it had to be edited out of South Park.
In this day where cultures are no longer isolated by distance and deserts we have to try our best not to offend people. In SL this means avoiding creation of any religious figure unless you are of that faith. We may be taking lightly what someone else takes very seriously. I was offended that South Park was forced to change the episode. A much older episode portrayed Mohammed with little notice by anyone who doesn't watch the show.
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Dennis Bertone
Whitewater Nutcase
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07-24-2006 09:17
From: SuezanneC Baskerville I see nothing imaginitve or creative at all about the Jesus av. A guy with a beard and mustache using a very common poseball animation. Not worthy of a raised eyebrow. Yes, but the post it inspired from Phedre made it worth it  |
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Aodhan McDunnough
Gearhead
Join date: 29 Mar 2006
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07-24-2006 09:24
From: Gabe Lippmann I was offended that South Park was forced to change the episode. A much older episode portrayed Mohammed with little notice by anyone who doesn't watch the show. I'd rather err on the side of caution. It's nice to have the radical ideas of South Park but one must know where it goes too far. There are ways of elicitng humor and throwing satire around without offending people. I actually didn't know about the Mohammed thing until I saw that mention of South Park editing. It came in the wake of the Scientology issue I think. Scott Adams (creator of Dilbert) in one of his books narrated the trouble he goes through when he inadvertently offends someone. It's not pretty. One incident he mentioned was when a strip poking fun at nuns ran at around the time Mother Teresa died ... but the strip was actually made months before and just happened to get printed on that day.
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Darkfoxx Bunyip
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Join date: 8 Oct 2005
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07-24-2006 12:03
I'd like to add to my previous pot that *anyone* who purposely offends anyone else based on religion, race, gender or whatever is a mayor asshole in my eyes.
This goes for fellow christians telling non-religious people they will burn in hell, as well as atheists who decide to offend any religion just to be offensive.
Anyone defending said offender, is an even bigger asshole.
My two cents, thank you very much.
And don't give me this "Christians offended me on several occaisions' crap, I personally haven't, ever in my life, and never will. I strongly believe in freedom of religion. If you believe in another diety or none at all, your choice. I'm not going to bitch about it, unlike nearly every atheist I have met sofar.
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Photon Fugu
Registered User
Join date: 27 Jun 2006
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07-24-2006 13:12
Also, please don't disrespect my belief in the tooth fairy and santa claus.
Thank you.
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Beatfox Xevious
is THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE
Join date: 1 Jun 2004
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07-24-2006 13:16
From: Banking Laws I can draw jesus any way I want, same as mohommed or buddha. I really don't care if I offend since alot of those cultures don't care if they offend me. You do have the right to draw religious figures how you want. However, I'm a little concerned by your reasoning. Why do you believe that "alot of those cultures" don't care whether they offend others? Why are you generalizing the individuals that you offend, allegedly because none of them care if they offend you, under the heading of "those cultures" in the first place? Do you believe every one of those individuals thinks the same way? From: Banking Laws Why should I not burn an image of mohommed if Iran is burning the US flag. Give me a REASON to not offend them..if you can. What good would it accomplish? What would be the point of stooping to their level? Part of the philosophy of SL is peaceful coexistence and respect for one another. This means learning what draws different people to you and what repels them from you, then practicing the former and not the latter. Is this not something you agree with? Peace to you. 
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Alex Fitzsimmons
Resu Deretsiger
Join date: 28 Dec 2004
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07-24-2006 13:21
This could have been a great thread. Pity it got hijacked by whiny Christians. Anyway, my favorite avatar happens to be a black human woman with (usually) red eyes whose speech patterns strongly resemble Old English. I follow that avatar around quite a lot, in fact. 
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Phedre Aquitaine
I am the zombie queen
Join date: 26 Jan 2006
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07-24-2006 13:30
From: Dennis Bertone Yes, but the post it inspired from Phedre made it worth it
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Banking Laws
Realty Serious
Join date: 14 Jun 2006
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07-24-2006 13:35
From: Aodhan McDunnough It's called diplomacy.
When you offend someone, you close the doors to possibilities.
The person you're offending today just might have become a great friend down the line.
I have friends who are Catholic, Pentecostal, Episcopal, Christian (avoiding specific denomination), atheist, agnostic, Wiccan (if you count this), pagan, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu.
Give me a good reason to offend them. Iran closed the doors to me caring about their opinions. I haven't had a good reason to actually CARE what them or islamic extremists think. All the muslims I've talked to have sai they might not aree with me drawing mohommed, but agree there is nothing in my faith against doing so. From: Beatfox Part of the philosophy of SL is peaceful coexistence and respect for one another. This means learning what draws different people to you and what repels them from you, then practicing the former and not the latter. Is this not something you agree with? I've never read that in any mention of SL except through players. Personally, I don't give a rats behind if I offend. I get offended daily, and I refuse to be 'polotically correct.' I'm myself and people can take or leave it, I don't force anyone to stay nor put on a false front. A muslims commandment not to have a drawn picture of the faiths founder ends where that fait does. I'm not muslim, nor am I christian, and the tenets of those faiths mean nothing to how I live my life. The philosophy of SL according to me is be yourself, express yourself through your character, and explore. Don't try to apply your philosophy to me.
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Devlin Gallant
Thought Police
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07-24-2006 13:37
From: Banking Laws I can draw jesus any way I want, same as mohommed or buddha. I really don't care if I offend since alot of those cultures don't care if they offend me.
Why should I not burn an image of mohommed if Iran is burning the US flag. Give me a REASON to not offend them..if you can. Why? Because it can get you killed for one. If an irate Muslim gets your real life location you could be toast. And I am 100% serious here. They consider it that bad of an offense.
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Palomma Casanova
Free Dove Owner
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07-24-2006 13:38
Uffffff!
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Banking Laws
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07-24-2006 13:41
From: Devlin Gallant Why? Because it can get you killed for one. If an irate Muslim gets your real life location you could be toast. And I am 100% serious here. They consider it that bad of an offense. Then I'm dead and they are guilty of murder. Since I have a right to free speech that his right to religion can't penetrate, he can't use it as a defense in court since I wouldn't be doing it -in order to inflame,- I would be doing it to create. Hope the bastard fries in the chair.
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Alex Fitzsimmons
Resu Deretsiger
Join date: 28 Dec 2004
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07-24-2006 13:43
From: Devlin Gallant Why? Because it can get you killed for one. If an irate Muslim gets your real life location you could be toast. And I am 100% serious here. They consider it that bad of an offense. Meh. It's the same for true Christians (I don't mean the pretenders who go to church on Sundays and only read and refer to the parts of the Bible they like -- I mean the ones who read it, know it and follow it cover-to-cover). By the book, the Christian god is almost as vicious and evil as the Muslim one.
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VolatileWhimsy Bu
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07-24-2006 13:50
From: Alex Fitzsimmons Meh. It's the same for true Christians (I don't mean the pretenders who go to church on Sundays and only read and refer to the parts of the Bible they like -- I mean the ones who read it, know it and follow it cover-to-cover). By the book, the Christian god is almost as vicious and evil as the Muslim one. /slaps forehead they are the same God... -.- |
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VolatileWhimsy Bu
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07-24-2006 13:54
hold on and let me find a proverb on this.. ack i have 5 min before i have to go, lets see if i can do it
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Banking Laws
Realty Serious
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07-24-2006 13:56
From: VolatileWhimsy Bu hold on and let me find a proverb on this.. ack i have 5 min before i have to go, lets see if i can do it I've got one. Stifle! -Archie Bunker
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VolatileWhimsy Bu
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07-24-2006 13:58
oh pooh
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Alex Fitzsimmons
Resu Deretsiger
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07-24-2006 14:01
From: VolatileWhimsy Bu /slaps forehead
they are the same God... -.- They are, and they aren't. They owe their origins to the same source, but I think it's reasonable to treat them as separate entities because the religions involved are strongly separated by the names used to refer to their respective gods, by the books you would normally refer to to read about them, by the practices they believe they're meant to engage in, and by how the practictioners of each of those two different religions perceive them. A Muslim would typically have more respect for the beliefs of a Christian or Jewish person than for the beliefs of a follower of Hinduism, but that doesn't mean a Muslim sees a Christian as essentially a Muslim. Ohhh, no. Not even close.
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Banking Laws
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07-24-2006 14:03
If anything they see them as even further away.
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Fmeh Tagore
Just another fat guy
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07-24-2006 14:51
I loved Eli's "An invisible Jewish zombie" comment.
And as far as being persecuted, atheists are the most persecuted--and I'm not an atheist.
What's fun for one person can be offensive to another.
What being honest for one person can be offensive to another.
What's being nice for one person can be offensive to another.
People get offended at things all the time that weren't necessarily meant to be offensive.
Then we have the subject of humor: Humor is ALWAYS ranking on something--whether it be language, a culture, a religion, a group of people, an organization, or a philosophy--it's always ranking on something, or at the very least, pointing out patterns in a creative way, and it always has the distinct possibility of offending people. Then there's the type of humor that is trying to be as offensive as possible, pushing people's boundaries to the hilt--most of the time, no matter what belief a person has, it actually CAN be funny if the person puts his or her "I'm offended" flag down.
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Pete Fats
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07-24-2006 15:19
the jesus one wins hands down! someone needs to combine that and the jesus from dogma. that would win the internet.
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Song Lalonde
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07-24-2006 15:52
From: Fmeh Tagore Then there's the type of humor that is trying to be as offensive as possible, pushing people's boundaries to the hilt... No pun intended? |
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Chronic Skronski
SL Live Musician
Join date: 23 Jun 2006
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07-24-2006 16:10
From: Alex Fitzsimmons I don't mean the pretenders who go to church on Sundays and only read and refer to the parts of the Bible they like -- I mean the ones who read it, know it and follow it cover-to-cover. "I've followed every part of the Bible! Even the parts that contradict the other parts!" - Ned Flanders |
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Kathmandu Gilman
Fearful Symmetry Baby!
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07-24-2006 18:23
Robo-Jebus save us from the invisible Jewish zombie!
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Banking Laws
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07-24-2006 21:12
From: Kathmandu Gilman Robo-Jebus save us from the invisible Jewish zombie! Robojebus better do more than Voltron did.
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