Should LL leagally punish grid attacks

Do you really think that if somebody who wants to bring the grid down will be stopped by one month's subscription fee?

I doubt it very much.

I voted yes, but I could see why a small percentage would vote no. I almost voted no, because I have, completely by accident, crashed sims before. The worst was in 1.6, at sandbox newcomb. I created a large number of prims, purely out of whimsy, and when I tried to delete them the sever crashed. I reloged, tried again, and it happened again. It turned out deleting about 2000 prims at once constipates a sim.. after that I deleted them in small batches until they were gone, but even deleting say 20 at once was causing severe FPS hits..

I am not saying the lindens would take legal action for something like that, especially if they knew it was a random work of a bored builder, but it does come down to perception and drawing the line.. if they sue over someone who crashes the grid, would they be able to sue over specific sim attacks? What about honest mistakes?

Anyway, just my two bits on the subject, and in this particular instance I think the bastard should fry, especially since there is an obvious pattern of SL being attacked right before an update, which means there is a decent chance the person who did this is either an alt, or at least related to, a certain someone who crashed the sim before 1.7..

Anyway, peace out guys.

I admit I haven't been here long. Excuse me for posting.

Do you really think that somebody who wants to bring the grid down will be stopped by one month's subscription fee?

I doubt it very much.

I admit I haven't been here long. Excuse me for posting.

I admit I haven't been here long. Excuse me for posting.

But first you shall be punished for such bad spelling! It's 'legally' not 'leagally'

Absolutely. In the US attacking a computer network is federal crime, punishable by stiff fines and jail time. I assume this is probably true in other computer-dependant countries as well. There's no reason whatsoever not to prosecute these people to the fullest extent of the law.

I voted yes, but I could see why a small percentage would vote no. I almost voted no, because I have, completely by accident, crashed sims before. The worst was in 1.6, at sandbox newcomb. I created a large number of prims, purely out of whimsy, and when I tried to delete them the sever crashed. I reloged, tried again, and it happened again. It turned out deleting about 2000 prims at once constipates a sim.. after that I deleted them in small batches until they were gone, but even deleting say 20 at once was causing severe FPS hits..

We certainly agree that there's an increasing economic cost to these attacks, for residents and for Linden Lab. We're preparing background information and have started regular meetings with the federales.

Welcome to SL and the SL forums you just post away any time you like. Not all of us get up on our high horses about new ppl posting here

Mar

Thanks Martin,

I just had the feeling that Usagi maybe thought my RL day of birth was this November.

If they stopped free trials lot of people wouldn't get on SL (ok, I see that some would like that). Isn't the whole point of these sites to meet new people?

Btw. you need a credit card for the free accounts too.

OR paypal, which is easy to manipulate..

I get treated like I was born yesterday all the time Its why I get up in the morning

OR paypal, which is easy to manipulate..

I get treated like I was born yesterday all the time Its why I get up in the morning

Thanks Martin,

I just had the feeling that Usagi maybe thought my RL day of birth was this November.

If they stopped free trials lot of people wouldn't get on SL (ok, I see that some would like that). Isn't the whole point of these sites to meet new people?

Btw. you need a credit card for the free accounts too.

Accidently crashing a sim is unlikey to get anyone in legal trouble.

Now purposely doing something irresponsible like creating 2,000 prims might. Isn't that not much different than tossing a lit cigarette out your car window resulting in a wildfire that consumes a few homes and hundreds of thousands of dollars in public money to put out? Sorry, but in RL you'd get in a wee bit of legal trouble for that...even though the actual fire was an accident, it was out of negligence.

These though are purposeful attacks, akin to lighting fire to a mall to watch it burn.

OR paypal, which is easy to manipulate..

I get treated like I was born yesterday all the time Its why I get up in the morning

what?? you aren't a newbie?? Why the hell am I so nice to you then?! Gah!! poser!!

Yes there is,
Number 1. At least ONE person ahs to lose at LEAST $5000 in real money, and not Cumilative or perspaective losses, but ACTUAL PAYOUTS.

Number 2. the person that DID IT HAS to be in the US, and preferably in California. International cout doens't care about SL or Linden labs unelss tehre is a seriuos econimic consideration, which there isn't on an international scale.

Number 3, A grand jury has to be convinced that the person INTENDED to cuase economic harm. Taking down a GAME (YES ITS A LEGALLY A GAME, VIRTUAL LIFE BULLCRAP ASIDE) often is considered a prank and not important in courts.

Number 4: The case might be dissmissed before it ever gets to court

number 5 the person has to be identifialbe.

Number 6 the eprson has to FINDABLE.

NUmber 7 the Feds or California have to be convinced it is worth while to extradite the person to California and or Charge them.

7 good reasons to forget abotu it..... Quite franly I find it highly unlikely anyone will get in trouble for these attacks.

I disagree because I feel my error was out of ignorance, not negligence. I still agree with you that purposeful attacks are a different case entirely, but I don't see how you can equate people losing months of their lives and countless prized posessions, because of a person lacking common sense, to at maximum maybe 40ish(plus storeowners who aren't present) people losing at maximum 10 minutes of connection to a single sim, due to an argueably 'glitchy' flaw in a computer system.

I think to make your situation more closely related, it would be akin to giving a child a lighter, and having them cause the same damage, in which case it would almost be LLs fault for giving me enough prims to crash a sim, oh noes.

On a partially related note, I tried to tell LL about this event at a later date, using live help, but after dealing with alot of "wow, you could do that?" and "That's never happened to me before, I can't help you" I gave up.