Texture Resellling ONCE again WHY NO PROTECTION?

How can ANYONE be bound by a notecard they can only see AFTER the sale? Does she give refunds if after you buy and read the notecard and decide due to the terms you cannot use the product and you want your cash back? Even the most draconian shrink-wrap agreements have a refund clause. Who is this legal authority ingame that backs her ingame 'contract'?

About her ONLY recourse is a DCMA report...and after reading the Linden website about it (due to an incident I am experiencing), all it takes is basically a 'no I'm Not! Here's why (she sold it full perms being a damn hard to deny reason)' letter from the infringer, they put the items back and then the ball is in your court to take it to an RL lawyer, the lindens drop it. So unless you are a big name/big money person and its worth taking to a lawyer, your're kinda screwed here.

As you enter that store a notecard flys and hits you in the head. Its triggered like when you enter the store to give it to you.. I think.. at least one slapped at me when i went

/claps Well said

Dont take me wrong, I agree with texture artist wanting and need protection. I think the best option would be the one suggested where the textured item could be transfered and not the texture.

While can understand being upset.. just maybe the reaction being taken to the extreme? Im seeing comments of Im gonna sue blahblahblah. Lets over look the fact the artist probably not losing enuff to equal the court cost alone of suing.... As for all the talk of TOS, EULA, contracts and so forth---- Im no attorney (but dont worry we gotta couple forum attorneys that will love to jump in ) but currently several TOSs and EULAs in the gamming industry are being challenged and overturned.

And tbh contracts dont always amount to anything more then stiff tiolet paper that scratches ya booty when ya wipe. I know someone (a idiot if truth be known, but that irrevelent right now) who rented a jetski at a local lake. He went out and did something stupid which resulted in his leg getting broke. Now when rented the said jetski he signed a contract saying the rentalshop not liable for any injuries. I understand this quite common contract with them. Welp this idiot decides to sue. In the end the contract was declared invalid and the rentalshop held reliable cause something about they shouldnt rent to idiots that dont even know how start a jetski muchless ride it.

Do texture sellers have thier contract read by legal consultants? Are you sure a judge (who probably doesn play SL, and if there is any that do ... I got a speeding ticket I could use some help with ) that doesnt understand the intricasies (sp) of SL; is not going to say "but see here maam <points at lil box that states next owner can give or RESELL> this states they can resell it and is hardcoded, so your contract means zip."

Not to mention theres no law that says ya gotta read a contract that pegs ya in the head. Hell how many read the EULA when click accept. Ya cant even prove they read it, so how gonna enforce it. Much easier for person to say "oh I thought that notecard was spam about other shop locations so I tossed before reading.. but I saw box said I could resell!"

If I was sold or given some textures that originaly came from say Total Textures ( but I didnt know) and the true creator found them in my possesion...does he have the right to claim copy right infringement? Your Damb right he does.I have to remove them all once hes proved they came from his website.

It matters NOT that I was given them or found them from a 3rd party website...the creator is the ONLY owner of said textures and has the ONLY powers to demand removal and seek financial damages should he/she sees fit.

The general rule of thumb way of going about things in IP and cop right infringments is to give 24 hours notice that your textures ( as in you made them NOT mearly found them from the net ) have been found and being resold/distributed without your consent and to insist they remove.

If they dont, then ( and only then ) you fax LL the name of the avatar the location and swear an oath that the textures in question are yours by creation. ( if you make a false oath your liable for legal prosecution and fines )
LL then go in and remove all content both from inventory and the location on land.

They then send a letter via rl mail which the defendant has the opportunity to insist they are their by creation ( under the same false oath rules ) or not theirs and have removed any others not owned by themselves but by the owner in question.

PLEASE dont tell me how to 'suck eggs'

I have been in the business in SL and now RL of texture creation for 2 years. Don't you think I have done my research?

And when YOU spend 50 yrs a week and hunderds of $ on softwares and plug ins to create the textures I sell not to mention the memberships to learning facilities and time I have invested in learning Photoshop, then maybe you have a voice in all this.

Its not about L$350 you idiot. Its about stopping people from seeing my textures in Yard Sales resold copies over & over again and assuming ' thats the norm' and doing the same.

I deal with one person a week caught doing the very same thing. Some are genuinly ignorant to the law and live by the LL perms. Some are clowns like you who think they know it all and try twist things around and say theyre gonna inform Disney about a betty boop image I have on a wallpaper...and my store will be closed down and yes like this garbage " I didnt buy it from your store! SO there nah nah nah nah!'
Guese what clown?
IT DOESNT MAKE ANY DIFERENCE YOUR STILL DISTRIBUTING ANOTHER PERSONS ARTWORK WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT!

Is that rude enough for you?

Look I know its hard to grasp for some ppl so heres a link to some basic Copy right Do's and Donts'

Basic Copyright

Ignoring the legalites...its low morals not to ask the creator if its ok to resell their textures anyway, Any-one who allows their work to be resold I am willing to bet its not their work. They found it free off the net
No-one who puts the time and skill into genuin texture creation would simply let others resell their work. ( i wish others wouldnt allow it either regardless of where they found the textures, it gives out a confusing message to people who assume ALL texture artists must let other resell their work)
Why would I want or allow ppl to buy my work THEN set up a store and become my competition selling MY work for less than I do ( because they only bought it not created it )
Its insane business logic.

Ive found my stuff renamed, re uploaded, licence deleted and rebundled. Ive heard every single defence, come back, excuse and BS you could ever imagine and it still boils down to the same thing.

Moraly and legaly its wrong.



I was sick and tired of finding my work ( and it 'is' work ) scattered all over SL and fighting with ppl to aks them to remove. I don't 'play' SL anymore...its become a full time job for me- I am not moaning but I sure as Hell am not going to sit back and let clowns like you tell me im being rude! And preach how wrong I am about dealing with the theft of my work. These ppl just want to make a quick buck off the hard work of others. And you think this is all about L$350?

BTW I noticed you know the amount I charge for a standard bundle? Your banned Im afraid I dont want or need customers like you based on your reasoning.

You mistake my anger & frustration at the above as being rude.

Whats your excuse?

I will let this thread go on. Thanks for the support not had time to read them all, I just not an email notification from this joker so Im unticking that option so not to continue this ' Pantomime'

Got bigger & better things to do than justify my anger and pain and the theft of my work to ppl who dont know enough to argue or arent even involved enough to argue...seriously on that note- have you not got better things to do that butt your nose into stuff that is not only very old news by now but has zero to do with you in the 1st place.

So when you buy a texture CD which has a Read Me file in it outlining the EUAL, if you decide to upload all the txtrs to a website or ANY form of public distribution, you think a good enough defence would be " I didnt see or read the licence" and the judge will say
" ahhh ok nuff said- case dismissed!"

Are you sure? The licence I get with brushes is you cant distrbute them 'as' brushes from a website or copy them to CD and sell etc but your allowed to use them in commercial and none commercial creation.




My Take Down Order ( which is a very polite way of trying to resolve the matter before going to the lengths of involving LL ) includes my real 1st 2nd and last name at the bottom as well as my avatar. ( and that of my BF who also creates textures for TRU ) I am very serious about my work being distributed. I pay taxes on any earnings I generate from here so I am protecting my income no matter how small it may be. It took me 2 years to get to where I am, So it angers me that others just slap mine and many other ppls work up for sale for a quick buck

LilyBeth
Firstly your textures are amazing They actually INSPIRE me to build! I found your store quite by accident a month or so back and am delighted to have done so. Please don't stop!

Don't have much to contribute to the rest of this (rather long) thread other than to say that EVERY time I enter your store the first thing I get hit with is your EULA (to the point I think .....I read it already ) This being the case I fail to see how anyone can resell your textures as is and try to legitimise their actions. You make your feelings perfectly clear to any customer that enters.

Yes I find the EULA as I enter an annoyance i'll admit.......but I do see that sadly it is very neccesary and is a small price to pay IMHO if it helps protect one of the best texture resources in SL.

What needs to happen...

Take precautions to copyright your work in RL before uploading.

When your work gets stolen, file a report with LL, and carbon copy it to your state Attorney General's office.

If the offense isn't resolved, file another report with LL, and carbon copy it to your state's Attorney General office, and consult an attorney regarding suit against the offending party seeking damages and court costs.

BB: Ms Filth is in England, FYI.

Ah, then my post won't do her any good.

how about selling your textures as no re-sell?..........

Then they can't be used by content producers to in their products. If the wall texture is no transfer, I can't sell my house.

In the meantime make 2 packs for all your textures..set one at a decent price with no transfer permissions, then up the $$$$ and set one full rights for legitmate builders. Few would pay a higher price just to resell for 25L a pack.

Interesting, I think I saw some of these textures in TexturesRus where the textures are supposedly "handmade"? I admit she has nice textures, but I don't think ALL of any of the "texture artists" stuff is "handmade". Textures are bought and sold, it is a game. Let's not give ourselves ulcers over a virtual world. ( I do love the textures at TexturesRus though, I must admit, it is my first choice for building textures!)

SL may be virtual, but Intellectual Property is real.

The most powerful force in the World is no longer war, religion, economics, or industry. It is the thing that puppeteers all of those... information.


Of course, most of the informationsphere (for lack of a better phrase) is still transparent to the average person. That's as should be, really, and by design. People have finite limits on how much information they can process.

Anyway... The point is, textures = IP. IP theft is rampant, but not merely a victemless happenstance. Of course, our little community made textures represent something somewhere near the bottom of the food chain.

On the other hand, L$ can be exchanged for real $ so being shortchanged in SL amounts to actually being ripped off.

I'd say texture artists have a legitimate grievance, but then, nobody's gonna march in storm troopers to put down texture thieves. Hopefully LL will make some improvements to protect IP rights to textures and animations better.

Well, if you are selling a full perm texture, the buyer can do ANYTHING they want with it, because they have it full perm, so they can give it out and re sell them, its jsut want happens when you give out a freebie